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Questions for Dave Winer... 04/09/2004 03:54 PM

Dear Mr Winer,

  • Will the API for radiocomments be public and clonable?
  • If so, will the API for radiocomments be published before the initial deployment of the radiocomments system?
  • Will it be possible for Radio users to plug into a non-Userland scripting system?
  • Will the process for designing the radiocomments API be open or will it be designed exclusively by Userland?
  • Will Radio, Manila, or Frontier ever move to a non-proprietary scripting language?
  • Have you or will you file patents for the weblogs.com technology?

I should add that I don't really have much of an opinion about the whole Typekey thing at the moment. Certainly we need something to deal with comment-spam, certainly a centralised service will help with that and make things easier, yes I'd rather have an open standard or set of protocols that allow completely decentralised system if I could think of any way it could be done (but offhand I can't).

Addendum: I have to confess that I'm not terribly interested in this stuff - I was making a fairly light-hearted and facetious point that really wasn't particularly well-expressed. I was clumsy in a variety of places, and for that I apologise. All I was saying, I guess, is that Dave's questions made it sound like Six Apart had a reputation for proprietorial formats and patenting stuff and not opening up APIs - and that I don't really see any evidence of that. And - realistically - Dave is still associated with Userland and Userland is still a competitor of SixApart - so I can't really see why they should feel any particular obligation to answer those questions. (Particularly given that Userland attempted to trademark RSS a few years ago - a move that could be seen to be directly against the kind of openness that Dave's interrogating Six Apart about.)

Anyway, I certainly don't feel qualified enough to comment in any depth about the business practices of either Six Apart or Userland in this context and these are not positions that I'd be prepared to battle to my last breath to protect. So I'm going to back down gracefully, only saying that I hope that it's clear why I had the impression that I had, however inaccurate it may or may not have been. I also apologise to anyone who was offended or feels mischaracterised and I hope we can put this all behind us.




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I don't get it -- why don't you use Radio?

What exactly was unreliable about it?

Maybe I can help figure out how to get it reliable.

Paolo was running his own RCS, right?

Anyway, I'm glad a Radio user finally had the confidence to tell the other guys that they haven't even caught up with UserLand's low-end product yet. Hold them to it. Let's get a real baseline for competition here.

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First of all Congrats on the Convention - totally amazing to see how far blogging has come since you first floated the idea to me - back in 1995.

Personal publishing sure has come a long way - but we're not done yet. The idea of a client based personal server is something I can credit you for being the first person to come up with that idea. The issues surrounding that kind of product have been revealed because of Radio - and we all you a debt of gratitude for that one - too!

So I actually felt that Radio represented a lot more than just a 'blogging tool'. I worked with Mikel Maron on his MyRadio project and lauded Social DynamX's FMRadioStation. We even planned to do a product called Sweet Suite - which would also have complemented Radio.

But dude - you folks fell behind. I guess that doesn't mean you anymore - but being the largest shareholder does keep your teeth in the game. You question certainly shows that you're still concerned with the product's status and view - from the public POV.

So I can speak for many of us who left Radio in the past year - we loved that product, it changed our lives - but as new features, functionality and flexiblity came onto the market - Radio was incresingly keeping us behind.

Take the comment you left me.

I got an email of it, asking me to approve it - via 6A's TypeKey system. That rocks.

There are plenty of things that Radio still leads the market with - and that was the core of my post. But there were also lots of reasons to stop using Radio.

Stability was probably the biggest issue for me. After 5 or 6 total crashes, some of them my fauilt, others Radio instability - I just gave up. Also the feeling that all development on Radio had stopped - was a disappointment.

I always felt that you didn't charge enough for Radio, that if you had kept EditThispage going as a service and morphed it like Pyra did - the world would be a different place today.

And there was a whole "blogging support" play there - that never was taken advantage of......

Yes - Paolo runs his own RCS - and he's your biggest supporter and develoiper - BTW. And we're just getting started.

But for some reason - my mind flows to new kinds of micro-content, namespaces and decoupling schemas from the subscription protocol.

Isn't there a way I can talk you into getting back involved in moving these standards FORWARD?

Instead of worrying about the width of the threads on the pipe, can't we focus on the structured shit that goes through the pipes?

As I said before - I REALLY think that we can setup open standards for NEW kinds of micro-content. Here they are - and some of the people who should be involve don a domain specific basis. But DUDE - you know me and you and Sifry and Jon Udell should drive the overall architecture of all this. We NEED you! Here are the new kind sof micro-content I'm talking about:

Now not all these folks have signed up yet - but DUUUUUUUUUUUDE - we need you!


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I'd bet people would pay just to listen.

Dave Winer and I did a debate at Stewart Alsop's Agenda conference - back in, oh it must have '87 or '88.  The subject was "should Hypercard be bunded with the system software of the Macintosh?"  It was fun.

Folks could vote from their seats with little hand held controllers, oh maybe? - no that was the year of the cheer meter - gauged on volume.  Regardless of the technology, I mean come on - we gotta use the HeckleBot somehow!

So how 'bout a little creativity here - huh?


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