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Page 2 - Don't hand out the rings just
yet

Page 2 - Don't hand out the rings just
yet
02/18/2004 08:13 PM

Page 2 - Don't hand out the rings just yet .. Red Sox Fan Number One has comments .. the Boston Sports Guy's say .. Bill Simmons .. 33 reasons

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China Rings in New Year, Rings Out
Hemorrhoid Ads (Reuters)


China Rings in New Year, Rings Out
Hemorrhoid Ads (Reuters)
12/31/2003 10:48 AM
Reuters - China is ringing in the New Year by banning television advertising for sanitary towels, hemorrhoid ointments and other items deemed unappetizing during meal times, the China Daily said on Wednesday.

Hand Job brings you exclusive hardcore
pictures and videos of Hand Job content
on the internet


Hand Job brings you exclusive hardcore
pictures and videos of Hand Job content
on the internet
04/10/2004 08:47 AM
Hand Job brings you exclusive hardcore pictures and videos of Hand Job content on the internet

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Mobile phone companies and service
providers working hand-in-hand to lure
users


Mobile phone companies and service
providers working hand-in-hand to lure
users
09/05/2004 09:54 AM
TechTree Sep 5 2004 2:38PM GMT

Get Ready for Some Hand-to-Hand Combat
(washingtonpost.com)


Get Ready for Some Hand-to-Hand Combat
(washingtonpost.com)
05/07/2004 10:46 AM
washingtonpost.com - Cue up the "dueling handhelds" theme: The video game wars are starting anew, with competitors Nintendo and Sony in a fierce fight for victory on the handheld gaming battlefield.

Game Makers' Hand-to-Hand Combat


Game Makers' Hand-to-Hand Combat 05/06/2004 05:51 AM
Nintendo is in danger of getting slapped silly by Sony twice in a decade. As Sony preps a new whiz-bang handheld video-game machine, Nintendo will answer with the upcoming DS. If the DS flops, Nintendo is in big trouble. By Daniel Terdiman.

Does the left hand talk to the right
hand?


Does the left hand talk to the right
hand?
03/12/2003 03:54 AM
The NYT is reporting that AOL is providing software to customers to block pop-ups. The sheer number of ironies in this article is simply delicious, and renders further comment unnecessary: 1) "AOL pioneered the often annoying but effective pop-up format" 2) "10 percent of its users had chosen not to receive pop-ups from AOL's own service, an option that has been harder to find than the new blocking software." Hard to find? Almost impossible. 3) "the number of sites that will accept pop-ups is increasing, including ever more sites owned by AOL Time Warner like Mapquest and CNN.com."

Hand-to-hand combat over Bolton


Hand-to-hand combat over Bolton 04/11/2005 02:34 PM
John Kerry advertises in Rhode Island in an effort to swing Lincoln Chafee against Bush's U.N. nominee.

Sony and Nintendo go hand to hand


Sony and Nintendo go hand to hand 05/13/2004 11:11 AM
Manchester Online May 13 2004 2:41PM GMT

Lexington Herald-Leader | 07/04/2004 |
Front-page news, back-page coverage


Lexington Herald-Leader | 07/04/2004 |
Front-page news, back-page coverage
07/08/2004 02:18 AM
Noted in yesterday's Lexington [KY] Herald-Leader .. "We regret the omission." .. Read article .. Oops

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MLB rings you up


MLB rings you up 04/01/2005 03:40 AM
Usatoday.com - Thu Mar 31, 08:47 pm GMT

Rings!


Rings! 07/09/2004 01:26 PM
If you haven’t been following the Cassini-Huygens Saturn mission, in particular the pictures, you’re missing a heck of a show. I grabbed a couple, just for a teaser...

Lawyer of the Rings


Lawyer of the Rings 12/22/2003 11:24 AM
If you're going to make a deal with Sauron, consult your lawyer first.

Rings and Crowns


Rings and Crowns 08/27/2004 01:42 PM

Tommi and Adele.

« Tommi and Adele in an engagement photo I took for them back in June on Suomenlinna. They got married over the weekend in LA. Congratulations to them both! :) »

If ever there was proof that there is no such thing as a kind and benevolent creator, teeth would be the prime example. Anyone who scoffs at this hasn't ever had an abcessed tooth or possibly finds pleasure in such horrific pain. I once had a tooth go south on me late one night when I was working in the herbarium looking up different specimens and chowing down a pint of Ben & Jerry's ice cream with nuts and chocolate. My tooth hit a nut and I hit the ceiling. I spent the rest of the night in some tragicomic attempts, like trying to bathe the tooth in Anbesol by standing on my head only to nearly swallow it and suffocate, to quell the excrutiating pain until morning arrived when I could call my dentist. In the morning, I looked like a chipmunk who stuffed a large golfball into my cheek when I went into work. I got a quick appointment with the endodontist, a.k.a. Dr. Root Canal, and I don't think I've ever before been so happy to see a needle and a drill in the vicinity of my oral cavity in my life.

Over the past week or so I've had similar twinges of pain in another tooth that have been giving me chronic headaches. Of course, being a stranger in a strange land it makes me even less enthused than usual to go visit doctors of any kind, especially the kind that have implements of torture. I haven't been to see a doctor of any kind in 3 or more years and I suppose it is from growing up in a medical household where you had to be coughing up a lung to miss school much less get real medical attention. The cobblers children have no shoes as the old saying goes, but not having the first clue about how to get an appointment or where to go is a real deterrent, not that I went much when I did know who to call. So, Jarkko made a surprise dental appointment this morning that gave me 90 minutes to get there which is likely the only kind I wouldn't wuss out on going to because I didn't have enough time to rationalise an excuse and, after a good poking about and an x-ray, it turned out to be nothing. I'm not sure which is worse; going to the dentist and finding out that you're about to buy him a new Jaguar with the goldmine of cavities he found in your mouth or going to the dentist only to be told that your pain is a mystery. I was happy to skip on out of there in a short time but teeth have a way of getting their revenge come hell or high water. Damn teeth.


Rings of suburbia


Rings of suburbia 06/22/2005 02:34 AM

pineapple upside-down cake

« Pineapple upside-down cake »

Nothing like having the flu off-and-on all week and, when feeling a bit better, enjoying a pint or two after work with a few colleagues from work only to have the flu return. At least Jarkko has it now so we can be achy and miserable together when Otava takes us out for a walk/drag.

The 'let's see if they'll eat it' experiment last week was a pineapple upside-down cake since pineapple is a frequent addition to food here and it seems to be very popular in desserts, perhaps a bit too much so. Pineapple< /a>, like banana and other tropical fruits, was an expensive exotic food that didn't make its way into the average home until the advent of canning and refrigerated shipping/storage in the early part of the 20th century. One curious factoid about pineapple is that the original native word is 'anana' which explains the taxonomic name as well as the Finnish 'ananas'. [Which makes you wonder if 'banana' was ok then why did the fools change anana to pineapple.]

BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON PINEAPPLE

Pineapple is one of the world's favorite tropical fruits. First called "anana", a Caribbean word for "excellent fruit", the name "pineapple" came from European explorers who thought the fruit looked like a pinecone with flesh like an apple.

Christopher Columbus was the first person to introduce pineapples to Europe. In 1493 he was exploring the Caribbean islands and found pineapples growing on the island of Guadalupe. He brought some of these pineapples back for Queen Isabella of Spain who loved the sweet tropical fruit. So did other Europeans. In fact, Europeans loved the taste of pineapple so much they tried to grow them in Europe, but the tropical plants did not fare well in Europe's cool climate.

THE HISTORY OF CANNED PINEAPPLE

Canned pineapple was first made in the 1901 but wasn't widely available until engineer Henry Ginaca invented a machine in 1911 that could remove the outer shell, inner core and both ends of 100 pineapples in less than a minute! If you've ever tried to peel a pineapple, you'll know how amazing this is. This machine, known as the "Ginaca machine" is still used in pineapple canneries today.

James Dole began marketing canned pineapple by placing ads with recipes in women's magazines in 1907, possibly the first of its kind, a technique that remains popular even now. In 1925 the company ran ads requesting new recipes using their pineapple. A recipe for upside-down cake was in the book of winners but apparently there were 2,500 or so upside-down cake recipes submitted which would give the impression that the cake was not unknown to homemakers at the time.

The pineapple upside-down cake has its roots in skillet cakes which were, and possibly still are, very popular in the Southern US. The availability of canned pineapple made an exotic fruit into a suburban novelty. The most recognizable form of the upside-down cake has pineapple rings dotted with toxic red maraschino cherries which evoke a 1950s modern suburban dream, but the cake has been around for much longer. Both pineapple and the strange red cherries were popular in the 1920s and, in spite of not being able to find a citation for who put them together on a cake, it's likely safe to assume they collided on the cake around that time. The cake has remained an icon of American cooking kitsch, though somewhat shunned and relegated to a 1970s Betty Crockers' Men's Favorites recipe card.

I looked at quite a few different recipes, including one Dole upside-down cake recipe, and most of them are quite similar. Cook's Illustrated featured a recipe in the September 2004 issue which I tried first, but found the batter too thick to spread evenly in the pan and it didn't have the right texture when it was done. I was rather surprised as I'm so rarely disappointed by CI's recipes but I won't make that recipe again. This didn't keep Jarkko from eating a few too many pieces of it though. :)

I found another recipe that Cook's Illustrated had in one of the first cookbooks they printed a few years ago as a master recipe for a fruit upside-down cake. This cake, given the fluffy egg whites and the cornmeal, has a much nicer crumb and overall texture as well as a fluid enough batter to spread easily over the caramel and fruit. The basic idea is to make the caramel, place the fruit in it, pour the batter on top and bake. The other CI recipe called for using fresh pineapple and reducing it by cooking it in with the caramel and draining it before placing it into the pan. I thought this made the fruit come out a bit rubbery and difficult to slice though it does make for a pretty top after baking. Also, it's good to make the caramel first and allow it to set with the fruit a bit before pouring the cake batter over it to avoid the fruit shifting around too much. Unless, of course, you have the Nordicware pineapple upside-down cake pan. It is very delicious when served with a bit of vanilla ice cream and a glass of milk. :)

Pineapple Upside-Down Cake

Serves: 8-12
Time: 25 min prep + 1hr bake time
Source: CI

Topping

  • sliced pineapple, drained (or peaches, plums, nectarines, mangoes, apples)
  • maraschino or candied cherries / dried cranberries (optional)
  • 1 cup or 2,5 dl light brown sugar, packed
  • 3 tablespoons or 42g butter

Cake

  • 1.5 cups or 3,5 dl all-purpose flour
  • 1.5 teaspoons baking powder
  • 3 tablespoons cornmeal
  • 1/2 teaspoon salt
  • 8 tablespoons or 113g unsalted butter, softened
  • 1 cup or 2,5dl plus 2 tablespoons granulated sugar
  • 4 large eggs, separated, room temperature
  • 1.5 teaspoons vanilla extract
  • 2/3 cup or 1,5dl milk
  1. For the topping: Butter bottom and sides of round 9x3 (23cm x 8cm) cake pan. Melt 3 tablespoons of butter in a medium sauce pan over medium heat; add brown sugar and cook, stirring occasionally, until mixture is foamy and pale, 3 to 4 minutes. Pour mixture into prepared cake pan; swirl pan to distribute evenly. Arrange fruit slices over topping; set aside.
  2. For the cake: Adjust oven rack to lower-middle position and heat oven to 350F/176C degrees. Whisk flour, baking powder, cornmeal and salt together in medium bowl; set aside. Cream butter in large bowl with electric mixer at medium speed. Gradually add 1 cup sugar; continue beating until light and fluffy, about 2 minutes. Beat in yolks and vanilla (scraping sides of bowl with rubber spatula if necessary); reduce speed to low and add dry mixture and milk, alternately in three or four batches, beginning and ending with dry ingredients, until batter is just smooth.
  3. Beat egg whites in large bowl at low speed until frothy. Increase speed to medium-high; beat to soft peaks. Gradually add 2 tablespoons sugar; continue to beat to stiff peaks. Fold one-quarter of beaten whites into batter with large rubber spatula to lighten. Fold in remaining whites until no white streaks remain. Gently pour batter into pan and spread evenly on top of fruit, being careful not to disperse fruit. Bake until top is golden and toothpick inserted into cake center (not fruit, which remains gooey) comes out clean, 60 to 65 minutes.
  4. Rest cake on rack for 2 minutes. Slide a paring knife around the edge of the cake to loosen it from the pan. Place a serving platter over the pan and hold tightly. Invert the cake onto the platter. Carefully remove the cake pan. If any fruit sticks to pan bottom, remove and position on top of cake.

"Lord of the Rings"


"Lord of the Rings" 12/17/2003 03:46 PM

The Lord of the Rings


The Lord of the Rings 12/18/2003 01:06 AM
The Lord of the Rings : The Fellowship of the Ring .. §¨§¨ „‚‡ ‡§ .. totally shitty web sites .. Assista o trailler .. John Rhys-Davies .. o novo trailer

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O2 rings up first profit


O2 rings up first profit 05/18/2004 05:53 AM
Jolly good...

Talk America Rings Up the FCC


Talk America Rings Up the FCC 05/28/2004 12:38 PM
SBC plays hardball in negotiating, so Talk America calls in the feds.

With the Yankees Watching, the Red Sox
Get Their Rings


With the Yankees Watching, the Red Sox
Get Their Rings
04/11/2005 05:29 PM
On a crisp day when they could have been in their clubhouse, the Yankees saw no shame in witnessing the celebration of a rival.

rings ray tracer beta1_01


rings ray tracer beta1_01 06/21/2004 06:44 PM
A ray tracing engine.

Saturn 's Rings Get UV Treatment


Saturn 's Rings Get UV Treatment 07/08/2004 10:42 AM
CBS News Jul 8 2004 2:08PM GMT

Motorola rings up results


Motorola rings up results 04/21/2004 06:13 AM
Chicago Tribune Apr 21 2004 10:37AM GMT

Saturn's Rings Up Close


Saturn's Rings Up Close 07/02/2004 10:51 PM
“As Cassini passed directly through a gap in Saturn’s rings, it got the closest view any spacecraft has ever had of the Ringed Planet. This image was taken after the spacecraft had passed the ring plane, and was seeing it lit by the Sun. Cassini was only 195,000 kilometres (121,000 miles) above the rings when this picture was taken. One interesting feature is the wavy edge of the inner ring; this is caused by interactions with Saturn’s moon Pan, which orbits in the middle of this gap.”

One-Man Lord of The Rings Comes to
Chicago


One-Man Lord of The Rings Comes to
Chicago
12/29/2004 08:09 PM

O2 rings up more phones for Asia


O2 rings up more phones for Asia 09/24/2004 03:45 AM
CNET Asia Sep 24 2004 8:33AM GMT

The Lord Of The Rings Movie - Available
Now!


The Lord Of The Rings Movie - Available
Now!
07/27/2004 07:36 AM
Warner Bros. present: The Lord of the RingsStarring:Humphrey Bogartand Marlene Dietrich .. an amusing link to an old-school version of Lord of the Rings .. Here's where you can find the movie .. the Howard Hawks movie version .. Humphrey Bogart version

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iTunes: Lord of the Rings CD-Rs


iTunes: Lord of the Rings CD-Rs 12/16/2003 12:26 PM
As reported by the LA Times, Apple and Time Warner have started offering specially designed Lord of the Rings CD-Rs. These limited edition blank CD...

Hong Kong rings in 3G era


Hong Kong rings in 3G era 01/27/2004 04:06 PM
Bangkok Post Jan 27 2004 7:30PM GMT

New Year rings in more worms


New Year rings in more worms 01/02/2004 09:30 AM
ZDNet UK Jan 2 2004 8:52AM ET

Pretec USB Ear Rings: Getting Closer


Pretec USB Ear Rings: Getting Closer 06/06/2005 12:08 AM

pretec_earring.jpgYou know, with just a little tweaking (like taking off their branding and making the cases something other than plastic), Pretec could be onto something with these jewelry versions of their i-Disk Tiny flash drives. Not the necklaces, so much—they look too much like dog tags—but the ear rings could work, if the other side was copper or something instead of pink plastic. Try it one more time, Pretec, or send us a bucketful of i-Disks and we'll hand them out to all the boutique jewelry makers in New York. (Thanks, James!)

PRETEC Brings Technology to Fashion [Pretec]


Other News: Spammer Rings


Other News: Spammer Rings 02/19/2004 11:22 AM
AOL and Earthlink sue spammer rings, and court documents detail some of the spammers' conversation.

Sprint Rings Up UMG, WMG (Reuters)


Sprint Rings Up UMG, WMG (Reuters) 01/18/2004 10:21 AM
Reuters - Universal Music Group and Warner Music Group are the latest players in Sprint PCS Vision's blossoming Music Tones business.

Transforming Clicks Into Rings


Transforming Clicks Into Rings 06/07/2004 01:08 AM
New York Times Jun 7 2004 5:57AM GMT

AOL Rings Up New Shopping Service
(Reuters)


AOL Rings Up New Shopping Service
(Reuters)
09/20/2004 01:30 AM
Reuters - America Online, the world's largest Internet service provider on Monday launched an overhauled online shopping center it hopes will help it keep pace with competitive offerings by Yahoo Inc., Google Inc. and Shopping.com, executives said.

Rings stolen from dying pensioner


Rings stolen from dying pensioner 04/05/2005 07:05 AM
A 98-year-old woman had rings stolen from her fingers as she lay dying in a Manchester hospital, police say.

Cassini returns images of rings


Cassini returns images of rings 07/01/2004 08:37 AM
The international mission to Saturn - Cassini-Huygens - has returned the first close-up images of Saturn's rings.

Producer sues for Rings profits


Producer sues for Rings profits 08/20/2004 04:23 AM
Hollywood producer Saul Zaentz sues the producers of The Lord of the Rings for $20m in royalties.

Passion 'beats Rings DVD record'


Passion 'beats Rings DVD record' 09/09/2004 05:36 AM
The Passion of the Christ breaks The Lord of the Rings' record for DVD and VHS sales in the US, a report says.

Red Sox Set to Receive World Series
Rings (AP)


Red Sox Set to Receive World Series
Rings (AP)
04/11/2005 01:46 PM
AP - The Boston Red Sox made their fans wait 86 years for another World Series title and only gave them five months to celebrate.
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Lord Hutton retires as Law Lord


Lord Hutton retires as Law Lord 01/10/2004 10:13 PM
Lord Hutton who led the inquiry into the death of weapons expert David Kelly retires on Sunday.

The Lord Giveth, and the Lord Smites Yer
Ass


The Lord Giveth, and the Lord Smites Yer
Ass
09/12/2004 07:40 PM
Back in 1974, I worked briefly at KTBN, the station that later became the Trinity Broadcasting Network. I was a...

End the Conversation


End the Conversation 03/13/2003 10:26 AM
Allen (12:06:43 AM): damn one day, i'll teach you to throw axes Allen signed off at 12:06:48 AM. That's certainly...

How not to end an IM conversation


How not to end an IM conversation 10/29/2003 01:17 AM
Why is it that in IM conversations some people stick to you like flies to the proverbial crap? New to...

A statement is not a conversation
(XML.org)


A statement is not a conversation
(XML.org)
08/05/2002 10:43 PM

"An Actual Conversation"


"An Actual Conversation" 09/27/2004 11:18 AM

Conversation with GoDaddy


Conversation with GoDaddy 04/12/2005 01:20 PM

I spent some time on the phone with the folks at GoDaddy today and they have a few ideas on what is going on with the server and are going to try a few things on the box we will keep our fingers crossed.

We will see what happens over the next few days.


a surrealistic conversation


a surrealistic conversation 11/16/2003 05:58 AM
Jon Udell:

weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2003/06/13.html#a721
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The ever evolving conversation


The ever evolving conversation 03/26/2005 04:33 PM

For about three years now - I'm been hemming and hawing and giving people a hard time and (apparently) acting belligerent - about Open Identities.

About the notion of open DNS-like indices of people. And what we could do with them. You see I spent much of teh 90's desinging systems that relied uypon a theoretical notion - that noadasys is called social software and social networking. And at the core of that - is digital identity.

So as the world has caught up with my ideas, it's becoming more and more important that we DO IT RIGHT!

Now Tribe is calling that the PeopleWeb, Microsoft has a [can't talk about it but will soon] platform and Dick Hardt and his Sxip Networks is rolling out.

Along the way the Identity Commons has launched their i-Names effort and PingID continues to lead in the open source Liberty Alliance (and other enterprise protocols) space.

So Doc cautions us and says "we're barely srarted."

No shit - Sherlock.

But like I said - it's all happening. I just wish Dave Winer were part of the conversation - too.


Continuing the MT conversation


Continuing the MT conversation 05/16/2004 07:12 PM
Continuing the discussion about MT licenses, Movable Type clarified and changed some of their terms. Having looked at some of...

Democracy is a conversation


Democracy is a conversation 03/19/2003 10:24 PM
From William Du Bois, from a mailing list I'm on: Bush's Utopian Plan for Peace and mine differ at the core. Hal Pepinsky, one of the founders of peacemaking criminology, talks about the dynamics of democracy and violence. He defines democracy as responsiveness — we take each other into account. We may not change our agenda but we take what the Other has to say into account. Violence is the opposite of democracy. It is asserting your own will and refusing to take the other into account......

Conversation with Joe Trippi


Conversation with Joe Trippi 09/20/2004 07:26 PM
Please join me in a conversation with Joe Trippi about his book, "The Revolution Will not be Televised." We will stream it live at Of, By, and For, this Friday the 24th at 2:00pm Pacific time. As you might know, Trippi built the Dean for America campaign and started rewriting...

The long conversation


The long conversation 05/27/2004 06:26 PM
Guardian,UK-16 hours ago ... Google is perhaps the most obvious clue-holder, with its corporate maxim "Don't be evil", its brand new corporate weblog and its all-round fluffy, friendly ...

Polite Conversation


Polite Conversation 06/24/2005 08:38 PM
talkingstick
I've been at a conference for the last couple of days, and have spent a significant portion of that time eavesdropping on conversations. Aside from the obvious observations (that most people don't listen, and that men do most of the talking and interrupting in mixed company conversations) what most astonished me was the unintended lack of politeness and courtesy that seems to characterize most conversations. It's not that the participants are rude -- it's just that they seem to lack mutually-understood and mutually-respected protocols to govern conversation in a civilized manner. This, in a world in which we are beleaguered by rules in almost everything else we do, seems remarkable to me.

So I did a bit of research to see whether I could find some protocols, some rules of behaviour, that work effectively regardless of the number, gender or conversational style of the participants. The longest-established protocol is also, it seems, the most misunderstood. This is the protocol of the Talking Stick, which has its roots in aboriginal American culture and in that of some third-world cultures as well. The basic rules of the Talking Stick protocol, from what I can ascertain, are as follows:
  1. The person holding the Talking Stick is the only one who can speak.Others must listen and not interrupt, even to ask clarifying questions. The onus is on the speaker to be clear, brief, and respectful.
  2. Generally the person most respected by the group (the tribal elder, or the person selected by the elder to present the issue to the group) talks first.
  3. The Talking Stick is then passed clockwise as each person finishes, and makes one complete circle of the participants. Participants with nothing to add simply pass the Stick along.
  4. The person who spoke first asks then whether additional discussion is warranted, and if anyone thinks so, the Stick is again passed around the circle.
There have been a number of 'improvements' suggested to this process, such as allowing clarifying questions, allowing people to reach for the stick in any order, first-come, first-served, and summarization or 'voting' processes, but none of these enhancements has a distinguished history and none in my opinion represents a significant improvement to the basic protocol. Allowing the group to engage in two-person iterative Q&A, or sidebar conversations, would seem to me to abrogate the three duties of clarity, brevity and respectfulness, or at least render them less necessary. In some Talking Stick circles, if you take the stick you must begin your speech by briefly reiterating what the previous speaker said, and only when that synopsis receives a nod from the previous speaker can you begin saying your piece. In some cases this might work brilliantly, but in others it could make the conversation interminably long and repetitive.

It is not clear to what extent the Law of Two Feet applies in Talking Stick circles -- where if you find the discussion valueless or frustrating you have the option to leave, without repercussions, and perhaps start another conversation on the same or another subject with those similarly inclined. The alternative would be to assume that if you chose to accept the invitation to join the conversation in the first place, you owe the rest of the group the courtesy of giving them your attention until it is finished. My personal view is that this judgement (whether leaving a conversation you find tedious is discourteous or not) is best left up to the individual.

I have witnessed many 'moderated' conversations, where one person decides who will speak next, or where people raise their hands to be next to speak and a first-come, first-served honour system applies, and found them mostly frustrating. But anarchy, where the loudest voice always prevails, seems to me even more so, and also unfair. Where the participants are part of a hierarchy, and rank clearly determines speaking priority, the result is too often not really conversation at all, but rather an information reporting and instruction exercise.

I have witnessed, too, meetings that allow the listeners to use tacit signals to prompt the speaker without interrupting them: Holding up a green card means "I like what you're saying", a red card the opposite, and a yellow card signals "I don't understand what you're saying". They tend not to work, I think, because the green encourages unnecessary loquaciousness, the red is rarely used because it would be perceived as rude, and the yellow is rarely used because it might make the listener appear stupid. Electronic equivalents (IMs that the speaker can read on-screen while talking) present the same discouragements, and also are more of a distractions than most speakers can handle on the fly.

One of my favourite conversational formats is the interview/Q&A, where one (or more) persons pose questions and the other(s) restrict themselves to answering them. There is a certain inherent democracy in such conversations -- each side gives up certain speaking rights in return for receiving others. Unrehearsed, they require considerable skill and agility to pull off eloquently. Rehearsed, they can be extremely effective at transferring knowledge but they become less conversations than performances.

So my sense, based more on observations of what doesn't work than what does, would be that the use of a Talking Stick or similar icon might be very helpful, even in two-person conversations (to reduce propensity to interrupt). I'm ambivalent about whether passing the Stick clockwise or allowing anyone to grab it next providing they satisfactorily summarize the last speaker's message first, would work better -- and I suspect it would depend on the subject and the conversational style of the participants. I do like the idea of using a subtle timer to reinforce the importance of clarity and brevity, which seem so absent in most modern conversations that the resulting incoherence is often unintentionally hilarious to the eavesdropper. Beyond that, I'm not partial to any 'improvements' to the basic four-rule Talking Stick process described above.

What's worked for you? Have you tried using such techniques, and when are they effective (and not)? Are there other techniques, newer or older, that work better, and when are they appropriate? And what of telephone and Skype conversations, or those anarchic multi-party IM sessions? Could a 'virtual Talking Stick' be introduced to organize such conversations? It should be easy enough for the technology to handle, but has anyone actually tried imposing this kind of discipline on non-face-to-face conversations? And perhaps most important, does practice using these techniques tend to make more polite, respectful and articulate conversations second nature? Or is there some reason I'm missing why interruption and 'louder voices prevail' protocols are so prevalent in our conversations, seemingly by default?


Best IM Conversation of Today


Best IM Conversation of Today 03/11/2003 09:43 AM

Best IM Conversation of Today

The worst part is he's close to right*...

kjartanmannes: so whats next for Mr Johnson?
fuzzygroup: in what context ?
kjartanmannes: well, you've been slashdotted so what is your new goal in life?

My sincere thanks to all the messages of encouragement, nice feedback and other comments.


"BlogPulse?s Conversation Tracker"


"BlogPulse?s Conversation Tracker" 03/29/2005 11:21 AM

Say 'Nazi' or 'Hitler' and End the
Conversation


Say 'Nazi' or 'Hitler' and End the
Conversation
01/07/2004 03:16 PM
Putting Hitler into Net conversations tends to kill them. Now there's a mock award for the stupidest comparison of Hitler to some modern event.

Joe Trippi: Down from the Mountain(IT
Conversation)


Joe Trippi: Down from the Mountain(IT
Conversation)
02/15/2004 05:23 AM
A Conversation with Joe Trippi 2/12 .. Joe's speech .. speech

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Meta conversation on metadata


Meta conversation on metadata 11/01/2003 08:35 AM
Jay "Misspells His Own Last Name" Fienberg has trenchant comments on my article about metadata. A big part of our difference may have to do with the loose (= wrong) way I define metadata. Part of it may have to do with where we're looking at metadata issues. E.g., Jay thinks there's no essential difference between arguments over FOAF and over the format by which we express date data; I'm instead thinking about the argument over what categories of info we need to exchange information about our friends. The argument over how to express that info is, I agree, important...

James Tauber gets into the conversation


James Tauber gets into the conversation 09/25/2004 01:47 PM

I just received this comment from James Tauber:

More on Aggregation Versus Hosting

Previously on this blog, I've called for a separation of hosting from aggregation. I want to be able to maintain authoritative data on one site and have other sites use it for their aggregation.

When I read Ted Leung's entry Microcontent personality disorder and Steve Mallett's comments on it, my immediate thought was that they could both have what they want if we could separate where we host our data with where it is aggregated and made "social".

Marc Canter (whose work around Digital Lifestyle Aggregators is definitely worth following) resp onds to Steve Mallett. Marc is spot on that people have their information all over the place. But I still believe that if systems are built to support a separation between hosting and aggregation, they'll support both the distribution of primary data and the kind of "self-hosting" that a certain segment like Steve and myself want.

Bottom line is all combinations of centralized/decentralized hosting/aggregation should be possible.

It's not that hard to do. Sites that aggregate just need to provide a mechanism where users can point to their data hosted somewhere else rather than have to re-enter their data in multiple aggregators. Aggregators then keep customers based on the value of their aggregation, not the lock-in of being the hosts of people's valuable data. People who want hosting for their pictures, blogs, etc can use hosting services to do it. But their choice of hosting service should not impact their participating in aggregation and the social aspects of micro-content that follow.



[James Tauber]


The Conversation Grows Richer


The Conversation Grows Richer 04/13/2004 02:17 PM

Technorati has added an astoundingly smart new feature, and BoingBoing is showcasing it. As Cory explains:

"Other blogs commenting on this post" at the bottom of our posts -- this is a link to Technorati's index of all the blogs that have linked to each of Boing Boing's posts. It's not quite a Discuss link, but if you have a blog and you post a comment about one of our posts to it, Technorati will find it and index it."
I'll talk more about this later -- I'm busy with book stuff today -- but let's just say that I can't wait to get this enabled on my blog.


A Conversation With Master Replicas


A Conversation With Master Replicas 04/13/2004 03:36 PM
I recently visited Master Replicas headquarters in California, during which I was able to sit down with Scott Vogel, President and CEO, and ask him some questions that are on the minds of Master Replicas collectors.

Participating in the Global Conversation


Participating in the Global Conversation 04/25/2004 10:11 PM

Active Résumés

"Alf Eaton writes today:

I think the MP3 blogs (which are essentially annotated playlists) might well be taking the middle ground in the P2P vs music industry wars - I hope that the record industry will begin to see the value in what these grassroots enthusiasts are doing to promote their music. On the other hand, a large part of making these playlists under current laws involves turning your back on the major labels and concentrating on the music libre, the 'free music', the stuff that wants to be shared. Those artists that make their tracks freely available online are the ones that will benefit most from the collaborative filtering and recommendation networks that are being set up. [Hublog]

Let's extend that remark: Any professional whose work is visible on the Net will become part of the conversation that establishes reputation and creates opportunity. The blog is an active résumé that enables you to participate -- by proxy -- in that conversation....

Here's the bottom line. What Alf calls "collaborative filtering and recommendation networks" will rival -- and my guess is, largely supplant -- conventional marketing and promotion. But if those networks can't find you, they won't be able to help you." [Jon's Radio]

Interesting when thought of in the context of libraries. It's exactly why our services - especially our online catalogs - need to be open and exposed. Exhibit A: LibraryLookup.


a conversation with marianne pearl


a conversation with marianne pearl 05/02/2004 11:53 PM
A conversation with Marianne Pearl
is one of the more moving interviews I have ever heard and was certainly a highlight of the weekend. She is a beautifully calm person with seemingly the right approach to an awfully violent world.

Frank conversation about torture


Frank conversation about torture 05/10/2004 08:54 AM
Over at Frank Paynter's there's been an interesting and useful discussion of my attempt to find a way for the left and the right to agree on a policy condemning torture. (As I've noted several times now, I should have talked not about the right wing but about the Rush wing.) Frank's first blog entry about it is here and his reply to my reply is here. Be sure to read the comments where I am taken to task rather severely by some exceptionally thoughtful people. (I reply there also.)...

A Conversation with Wayne Rosing


A Conversation with Wayne Rosing 10/28/2003 11:07 PM
An iterview with one of my bosses, Google's VP of engineering. An incredibly smart and experienced guy. (I'm not sucking up; he doesn't read my blog. ;) Interesting if you want to learn more about Google's engineering culture. One great quote:
I think the sum total of what I hope for the first decade of this century is some variant on the memex. We're going to have the vast majority of high-quality, permanent, high-value, human knowledge available to everyone, from many places, in multiple forms.

And that's fundamentally going to change humanity in as big a way as the printed word did—when it became inexpensive to replicate the printed word.


Is There Hope for Humanity?: A
Conversation


Is There Hope for Humanity?: A
Conversation
06/05/2005 11:12 PM
I'm beginning to appreciate that conversati ons are useful ways to explore ideas even if they're with yourself. So here's some more thinking out loud between my two schizophrenic halves, Dave the Idealist and Dave the Skeptic, on the subject of whether humanity has what it takes to get its act together and save the world:

Dave the Idealist
Dave the Skeptic
Yes, I know I liked John Gray's book, found it liberating in fact, but I still believe people are good at heart, and their instincts are right if they can re-learn to listen to them. And remember Margaret Mead: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world.  Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
So your argument is that we're going to save the world either by some massive act of collective altruism, even though such a thing is unprecedented, or by some subversive act by some clever noble clique of do-gooders. You know, some people would say that Bush's neocon born-again cabal fit Margaret Mead's 'small group of world-changers' definition perfectly. If that's what she was referring to, small groups of nazis and megalomaniac idealists, we're in trouble. Or is your 'small group' going to put birth control in the water supply and sabotage civilization until we have anarchy and chaos? -- which is actually the neocons' dream situation, since if that were to happen they'd just take over and feel self-justified in doing so, as they would see you as terrorists.
We overcame slavery, we gave women the vote, we invented written language and a lot of other amazing things, including birth control technologies, we've made democracy, an improbable way of running the world, work, and we've found ways to strike a balance in the economy between complete totalitarianism and complete laissez-faire. We're learning what doesn't work, we have unprecedented peer-to-peer grassroots communication and organization, and we have more knowledge available to a larger percentage of the population than ever before. And instead of just writing dystopias, many people are actually proposing practical ways to bring about massive change.
The last century featured more murders, more imprisonment, more torture, more war deaths, and greater extremes in distribution of wealth and power than any in our history. Every technology we've invented has a dark side that has been more effectively exploited than its positive applications. And as for communication, the digital divide is wider than ever. You shouldn't judge the state of the world by the view from your rosy little corner of it.
Stories are all we are. When we have learned new stories, we have become very different creatures very quickly, in a generation or two. It's our ingenuity, our ability to change and respond to new and intuitively better, healthier, happier ways to live, and learn from each other peer-to-peer that makes me optimistic and hopeful, not new technologies, which I admit are a double-edged sword.
Stories also allow fanatics and maniacs to raise huge and bloodthirsty armies, and allow cults, including most modern religions and political parties, to brainwash people to act against both their personal and collective interest. Myths and other stories allow people to tolerate and live in denial of atrocities going on all around them. Religious stories have prompted most of history's most brutal and protracted wars. And we're so adaptable that we learn to live a life of never-ending oppression, subjugation and deprivation, and we delude ourselves that our pathetic lives are good, healthy, deserved, getting better and the only way to live.
But we are also capable of forgetting, forgiving and moving on quickly, when a better story, a better way of living, is told to us. And in the last decade a significant minority of the population is on a roll -- better informed, more inventive, more attuned to and knowledgeable about that's needed, what's happening and what's possible than ever before. They're able to use networking technology to make creative, synthetic, analogical and metaphorical leaps, collaboratively, in ways that would have been almost unimaginable even a generation ago. We have already witnessed, in the 1960s, a huge shift in mainstream thinking and worldviews occurring in an astonishingly short period of time, and if we could do something like that again now we have much more powerful tools and much greater knowledge to do it with, so it might actually endure this time.
Pure romanticism. The 1960s weren't nearly as rosy and liberated as you remember them. Many guys jumped on the bandwagon in complete ignorance and indifference to the peace and liberation movements -- they were merely attracted by the promise of cheap dope and easy sex. Your faith (and it's nothing more than faith, since there's no solid reasoning behind it) that we could start a similar movement in this century and this time it would endure and bring about ubiquitous change, is simply the left-wing version of the right-wingers' Rapture. People don't change, cultures don't change, and there's an unprecedented level of investment in maintaining the status quo working against any little movement that might threaten that. We are programmed by our DNA to spend almost all of our time and energy living moment to moment and distracted by the minutiae of constant and trivial decisions. And even if this were not so, as Gray argues so articulately we have no 'free will' or collective consciousness. Even as 'individual' creatures we are merely collections of cells, molecules and organs, each doing what they do, largely for mutual benefit, and almost entirely (99.9999%) subconscious. So belief that we can somehow get our personal act together, let alone one at the level of some higher social order, and transform ourselves into what we are not, seems to me the height of folly, a form of leftist religious fanaticism.
There you go, relying on science again, that collection of unreliable and creaky models of reality, to make your argument. The whole, at every level of aggregation, is always greater than the sum of the parts. Gaia is much more than just all individual life on Earth. We as individual and wondrous creatures are more than a mere collection of our cells, molecules and organs. And I'm not being spiritual here. Forget about 'consciousness' and these other academic and utterly meaningless concepts. We as individuals, and our planet as an organism of a different order, are mostly what happens between our composite parts. We are sensation, reaction, communication, learning, understanding, and the stories that recall them. Most of what we are at both the creature level and at the Gaia level are what is happening in the intersections, margins and edges around the component parts. That is where our true sense of self and meaning resides, that is where our instincts draw their wisdom, that is what our DNA remembers and tells us to do. Your myopic science, looking at individual organisms in isolation, is no more able to understand the great truths of life, and the nature of our existence, than a collector dissecting dead monarch butterflies is able to comprehend the astonishing transformation of that creature's life, or how it could have 'learned' where and how to migrate when three generations have transpired since the last generation, or how sun and flowers and smells make a butterfly happy and inform its understanding of the purpose of its life.
Let's look at this argument. You're saying, I think, that almost all of what we are is subconscious, and that an important part of what we are is our relationships with 'others' outside ourselves. Yes? OK. So then you're saying that what can/will save us is something in our collective unconsciousness or subconsciousness? That deep down 'we' intuitively know what needs to be done, what is happening, and what is possible, and will use that knowledge to collectively do what is in our collective interest. Well, at least that's better than relying on gods. But if we had this great collective unconsciouness or subconsciousness, wouldn't we have been able to figure out, even before Einstein did, that almost all human inventions, notably in the media (since the invention of writing and the printing press), in transportation (since the invention of the lever, the inclined plane, the sledge and the wheel) and in the tapping of stored energy (since the invention of controlled fire) would have more negative consequences for our planet than positive ones, and hence prevent them from emerging? No, don't give me that nonsense that the global population is leveling off because we somehow 'know' it must, since people have repeatedly told researchers the only reason they don't have one or two more kids each is that they can't financially afford it (for now). If we ('we' being either all humanity or all creatures on the planet) are our own collective guiding hand, that guiding hand has done a pretty lousy job over the last 30,000 years. Just because we've lost touch with nature and Gaia, you say? I think it's more likely that we're just an exceptionally fierce and adaptable species which emerged by random accident from the primeval soup and, like all fierce and adaptable species in Earth's history, plagued (in the literal sense of the word, not the moral one) the planet until a meteor came along, or a climate change or new species evolved that preyed on excessive numbers of the plague species, and restored equilibrium and the selected preference of known life for biodiversity. Disequilibrium is neither new or unnatural in the universe. And that, more than the crown of creation, more even than the sum of our 'stories', is what we humans really are.


Sunday Morning Conversation


Sunday Morning Conversation 06/17/2005 07:16 PM

Kailee’s on Runescape this morning, exasperated at an offline friend’s actions online. A few days ago, she told me about her Runescape boyfriend. Seems she was talking to someone in the game, and he asked if he could be her “bf.” She thought that meant “best friend,” so she said sure. Only when he dumped her did she find out that “bf” means “boyfriend.” She took it pretty well, though, considering she didn’t know she was dating him to begin with.

Today, however, she’s frustrated. She’s on Runescape chatting with a friend who lives a few blocks away. Apparently the friend has Kailee’s login and password (red flag!) and has been logging in as Kailee now and then. At some point, the friend was on as Kailee when the ex-bf came back and wanted to be her bf again, so the friend said sure, not realizing Kailee didn’t care. Now, though, the friend is upset that Kailee has a bf and she doesn’t, even though Kailee doesn’t want a bf and the friend is the one that said “sure” in the first place. Even worse, she won’t interact with Kailee on Runescape because she thinks Kailee is “on a date.”

I asked Kailee if she knows the friend’s login and password, and her response was, “One of them.” I don’t know why I expected the answer to be “yes” or “no” in this day and age, but I did. She went on to say that the friend has several accounts, and it’s just too hard to remember them all.

Some interesting life lessons going on here, but the scariest part is how freely Millennials trade identities without a care in the world. We’ve repeatedly told Brent not to give his Runescape password to his friends, but they all know each others’ accounts and log in as someone else. It must make for interesting conversations when you don’t know what you might have said before.

Time for another family meeting….


Lord of the Tickets


Lord of the Tickets 11/10/2003 10:48 PM
Did you think about buying tickets to the one day showing of all three LOTR movies? It would have been a good investment.

Lord of the Badgers


Lord of the Badgers 12/06/2003 05:06 AM
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