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Spammer discussion 01/12/2004 01:53 AM

Blog and guestbook spammers are discussing spam techniques in this Usenet thread found by Andy Baio.

It’s an interesting read. One of the main characters is a moron who shows his ignorance at every turn. There are many claims that what they are doing is Search Engine Optimization (SEO). There are legitimate SEO companies, and there are guys like these. If you are hiring a SEO company, make sure you know what techniques they are using or you might end up with a site marketed in the same manner as the porn and prescription drug schemes they are discussing.

They also linked to my AP News article on spam. So they know we’re watching.




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