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The .NET Show: Longhorn at the PDC







The .NET Show: Longhorn at the PDC

The .NET Show: Longhorn at the PDC 12/11/2003 09:36 PM

At the end of October, Microsoft held the Professional Developers Conference (PDC) in Los Angeles. With the largest number of attendees of any previous PDC, we presented details regarding many upcoming developer-oriented technologies, including "Whidbey" (the codename for the next version of Visual Studio), "Yukon" (the codename for the next version of SQL Server), as well as the much anticipated "Longhorn" (the codename for the next version of Windows). Fortunately, we had our camera crew down there as well, and were able to film a special episode of the .NET Show during the event.




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