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Sun drops bid to join Eclipse







Sun drops bid to join Eclipse

Sun drops bid to join Eclipse 12/03/2003 06:04 PM

Citing concerns over abandoning the NetBeans open-source community, Sun Microsystems decides not to join the IBM-backed Eclipse open-source effort.




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OK - so get ready for this.

IBM now has it's own Java client side GUI technology - called SWT. There's a battle going on over two different approaches to Java client sides GUIs (between IBM and Sun/BEA) and IBM is using Eclipse for getting their's adopted. Now Oracle is getting involved. :-)

Even better - is all the other tsuff that come along with Eclipse - basically creating a client-side 'middleware' layer.

I've already met one major social networking play that's planning on building their free, open P2P system with SWT. Watch for even sexier deep linking new standards for all this stuff.

Thank you to IBM for sticking to their guns. The customer is always right. It's one thing IBM understands.


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Downloading Eclipse took forever btw.  They have mirrors but mirrors are troublesome to use because it forces the user to find the package among the mirrors to download.  They should use BitTorrent IMHO and turn the mirrors into seeds.  BitTorrent needs to be more location-aware (actually route-aware) though.


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  1. Download the RCP Runtime build from the Downloads page, and extract it to a folder such as c:\texteditor-example.
  2. Download the RCP text editing component zip and extract it to the eclipse/plugins subfolder.
  3. Download the texteditor plugin zip and extract it to the eclipse/plugins subfolder.
  4. Replace the eclipse/configuration/config.ini file with the appropriate config file from the texteditor plugin. For example, on Windows, copy config_win32.ini file from org.eclipse.ui.examples.rcp.texteditor_1.0.0 plugin to eclipse/configuration and rename it to config.ini.
  5. Run the eclipse executable: For example, on Windows, run eclipse.exe.

Step #4 is the key step while the rest are just downloading and expanding files.  After step #5, you should see a barebone text editor.  On Win32, the RCP text editor has disk footprint of 6MB and memory footprint of 28MB.  In comparison, NotePad2 has disk footprint of 540K and memory footprint of 4MB.  SWT apps I built before had substantially smaller footprints than the RCP app, but still significantly larger than native apps.

So what do we get for roughly ten times the footprints?  Plugins!  You can put together a fancy standalone IDE for Perl, Python, or PHP by packaging plugins from the EPIC, PyDev, or PHPEclipse projects with RCP.  You'll need to pour some sweats to glue things together because those projects are probably not fully RCP ready yet.

If you are not building an IDE, don't need IDE like level of extensibility, or there aren't many plugins useful to your product, you are probably better off skipping RCP and building on top of just SWT instead.


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I don't know where the mix up got started but numberous websites are announcing the release of Eclipse 3.0 already.  Note that the latest version is Eclipse 3.0 RC3.  The final version will be released on June 28 or so.

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Unfortunately, Eclipse for Solaris/X86 is linked to Motif which makes it nearly unusable so I end up using Netbeans for most of they day, only switching to Eclipse when I need to synchronize with CVS. I actually blew a Saturday afternoon trying to get Eclipse 3.1 to build on Solaris/X86 linked to GTK. I failed, but only because I ran out of time.

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So now, in addition to Struts, BEA's Pollinate will become a vaiable platform for developing large scale systems - like Digital Lifestyle Aggregators. That's one of the big reasons why it'll be possible for average everyday schmoes to produce and maintain their own DLAs.

Eclipse is also going to make it much easier for folks to develop and maintain these large-scale systems as well. When you offer folks lots of options, not only do you "pollinate the flowers", but you also create an open source competatuiev feature thingie - which pressures folks to keep moving forward - and not get complacent, which is what we've seen Microsoft do over and over again. Once they win a sector - all development stops.

It was fun to see Jonathan Scvhwartz squirm and get severely agitated on Friday when I asked him about IBM's SWT fat client UI technology.

After - what is it 7-8 years? - someone has finally come up with a decent UI front-end frameworks for Java and (of course) Sun's line is "with the release of Java 1.5, we now enter into a new world of blah blah blah [enter typical Sun bullshit here.]

SWT could be the missing link, along with Eclipse's client side "middleware", for 10,000's if not MILLIONs of DLA to propagate throughout cyberspace. If you can't build compelling front-end experiences - "HELLO - anyone THERE!" - we're never gonna move these experiences "down the pyramid"!

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SAN FRANCISCO—Although BEA Systems Inc. will not formally join the Eclipse Foundation, the company is moving closer to supporting the organization and its goals.

At the JavaOne conference here this week, BEA, of San Jose, Calif., will announce a new Eclipse Foundation project called Pollinate that will feature Eclipse support for BEA's Beehive technology, which is the open-source version of BEA's WebLogic Workshop Java IDE (integrated development environment) framework.

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GEF - Free, Open Source

Graphical Editor Framework is a framework for, surprise, building graphical editors like UML diagram editors, etc.  This plugin is used by many other plugins (i.e. Azzurri Clay) so you'll have to get it eventually.  Only issue I have with GEF is that it doesn't support Java2D yet.  Since Eclipse 3.0 adds support for AWT, JFC/Swing, and Java2D, I am hoping this shortcoming will disappear soon.

I also have EMF, SDO, XSD, UML2, and VE plugins but I haven't used them yet.  Visual Editor (VE) plugin, in particular, should be very useful so I am going to play with it this weekend.

BTW, I usually go to the Eclipse-Plugi ns Info site to find plugins.  Many of the plugins listed there will have some problem with Eclipse 3.0, but now that Eclipse 3.0 is out, updates are coming at a fast pace already.


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