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PHP and AJAX: Joshua Eichorn speaks in our free webcast!







PHP and AJAX: Joshua Eichorn speaks in
our free webcast!

PHP and AJAX: Joshua Eichorn speaks in
our free webcast!
06/05/2005 11:20 PM

A bit of self-serving news: php¦architect just announced our new php¦symphony webcast: Building Dynamic Web Applications with AJAX, which will be hosted by Joshua Eichorn (who has done some brilliant work on the topic of AJAX and PJSpan lately) on May 26. Best of all… the webcast is completely free, so what are you waiting for? [...]




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