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ANNOUNCE: New mailing list for secure application development, SC-L







ANNOUNCE: New mailing list for secure
application development, SC-L

ANNOUNCE: New mailing list for secure
application development, SC-L
12/02/2003 12:32 AM

Kenneth R. van Wyk (Nov 30 2003)




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