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Tags and Divergence







Tags and Divergence

Tags and Divergence 03/23/2005 02:32 AM

I've been looking at the way people using tags (not XML tags but associating words to lumps of text or pictures) and, so far, concluded that some form of focusing mechanism needs to be introduced to limit divergence of tags which leads to the Tower of Babel.

I think one of the weak areas is exposure.  Lacking exposure to common tags causes people to invent their own.  But exposures out of context contributes little to convergence preceeding emergence.

Hmm.  I think I'll wait for the flower to bloom in its own time instead of screaming at it.




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If you look at Orkut, many of the parts of it suddenly became &a mp;quot;owned" by Brasilians, which essentially drove away English speakers (I haven't checked how they have handled this). USENET coped with this by having separate hierarchies for each country (so sfnet is all Finnish) and "accepted" languages on each newsgroup. But tags don't have any way to determine the language.

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