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WinFS coming to Windows XP

WinFS coming to Windows XP 03/14/2005 04:52 PM

Originally planned to be part of Longhorn, delays caused WinFS to fall by the wayside. When it does get here, it will be available for Windows XP.




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Thanks, eldoen. There has been a great deal of hubub about what Jay Greene’s BusinessWeek article means for Longhorn, and WinFS in particular. I’ve been surprised by the general silence on MS blogs on this topic – which is perhaps an indication that I ought to be careful myself ;) But let me throw caution to the wind and get to the punch line: I, from my vantage as a Longhorn Evangelist, haven’t seen any changes that significantly impact anything we’ve said at PDC, or since, about the WinFX platform. You won't see me editing my slides, changing my talking points, or cutting back my demos, because the message about WinFX's capabilities hasn't changed.

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I've been waiting for this battle to ensue.  I was struck with how rdf-like WinFS was.  Pure triples.

They've also elevated media, messages and people & groups -a s first order objects.  This shit is coolio.  No matter what you say - Longhorn is finely crafted, serious work.

Now Danny Ayers takes on Jon Udell on anumber of issues..... here we go.

rdf semweb winfs

Jon Udell is looking at Microsoft’s Longhorn and is skeptical about the benefits of WinFS. Apart from talking of lock-in, he essentially argues that the same kind of things can be achieved with the newer XML technologies, in particular XPath 2.0 and XQuery.

Jeremy Mazner < STRONG>responds to Jon’s comments. I was pleased to see that he suggests (as a response to the lock-in allegation) that the metadata of WinFS will be exposed, which should enable nice interop with RDF systems.

I remarked on the similarity between Microsoft’s WinFS and RDF the other day (I misinterpreted some bits, but was corrected in comments, if anything reinforcing the parallel). Reading Jeremy’s material is quite weird, because most of the time you could just replace ‘WinFS’ with ‘RDF’ and it fits perfectly. He talks of finding music files - an area where RDF technologies are already active, c.f. MusicBrainz. He also has a lovely event scenario that fits like a glove to RDFCalendar work.

There are folks from the open source community who see a need for a completely open alternative to Longhorn, for example parts of Leo’s “Semantic Desktop” plan maps nicely onto WinFS.

I don’t personally think Microsoft can sustain a lock-in against Semantic Web technologies, with XAML, WinFS or anything else, any more than IE gave them control of the current web. In fact, if you can get at the data, then WinFS will probably be just as good for the future web as any open alternative. Having both is even better.

One angle that I think SemWeb folks need to address is how RDF technologies are still useful when you have XQuery. I’ve had a long-running exchange over what RDF/OWL can offer with Dare Obasanjo. I’m not as familiar with XQuery as I should be, so I’ve not got very far.

Dare also comments on the Udell piece, pointing to three things that he sees as potential issues with WinFS: performance, security and sucky programming model. Parallel universe. In the FOAF world, the first and last have been highlighted recently with PHP support for RDF, and security has been a discussion point for a while.

Dare’s final point about the Jon/Jeremy exchange is: “He is asking why couldn’t WinFS be based on XML instead of being an object oriented database.“.
I’m not sure how OO you’d call WinFS, but whatever, I’d like a good answer to : why RDF and not XQuery + XML DB?

Although Jon holds the record for has in the past talkinged most about a semantic web without mentioning Semantic Web technologies, he lets it slip a little today - his Google search box is on the keywords “rdf semweb winfs

This post should make a good googlepot for that, so can somebody point to a good RDF vs. XQuery FAQ?

PS. I completely missed a second post from Jon Udell specifically on WinFS and semantics. He quotes a beaut from Dare:

Being that one could consider RDF as just a logical model layered on top of an XML document (e.g. RDF/XML) I find it hard to understand how viewing some XML document through RDF colored glasses buys one so much more understanding of the data.

Exactly because it gives you a logical layer!
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David Stutz:  "Because of this, although I agree with many of Ray's observations, I disagree with his predicted outcome. Rather than becoming the basis for a powerful network driven by the commodity exchange of schematized XML data, WinFS is more likely to be just one more in a string of proprietary Microsoft extensibility mechanisms."

A very interesting essay.  Much depends upon whether you or not you believe developers will embrace this new platform "in the absence of commodity (replaceable) implementations". Indeed, one of the most significant (and voluminous) criticisms I received privately after writing my essay relates to the increasing version fragmentation of the Windows installed base itself - particularly between corporate and consumer PCs.  Regardless of a given platform innovation's merits, will or would ISVs take deep advantage of an OS innovation that will only reach a subset of the installed base for a very, very long time?  Or have we now transitioned to a world in which there is a sustainable advantage for redistributable commodity middleware versions of "good enough" solutions?  Although "Windows bundling" used to represent a surefire way to create a de facto systems-level standard e.g. MAPI, might new Windows innovations be ultimately less utilized/leveraged than commodity middleware, given the increasing fragmentation of the market?

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