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The XP SP2 Deployment Saga Continues







The XP SP2 Deployment Saga Continues

The XP SP2 Deployment Saga Continues 09/07/2004 04:21 PM

Hardware and software vendors, including Microsoft itself, are continuing to issue warnings and guidelines in an attempt to help users avoid Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) deployment problems.




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HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray, The Saga Continues


HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray, The Saga Continues 09/01/2004 01:19 PM

bd_rom.jpg imageAs the DVD format gets older more and more people are talking about what is going to take its place. I personally don't think DVD as a media will be getting "old" anytime soon - but since when did my opinion matter? [Excellent point. -ed.]

Most people involved in the argument feel that one of two next-generation optical media types will replace DVD - either HD DVD (for "High Definition DVD," or Blu-Ray (which somehow ends up being a "BD-ROM"). Since Sony (among others) has already quietly released Blu-Ray devices to the public, and announced that the Playstation 3 will utilize Blu-Ray, we can easily see that Sony is pioneering the format, and likely the one with the most proverbial ass on the line. I could go into the specifications of each format more, but that's what Google is for, slack.

All this is to say, when you hear an announcement about Blu-Ray, don't expect an announcement about HD DVD to be far behind. In fact, today saw both announcements.


The saga continues (and hopefully ends
here)


The saga continues (and hopefully ends
here)
08/29/2004 05:16 AM
I wrote recently on a company which sends advertisements disguised as bills. I sent an email to the Finnish Consumer Ombudsman, and finally received a reply.

The official response says that the company "has agreed to stop such advertising, and is also closing down their web page. Closing of the web page has been influenced by a disagreement between the company and their ISP". So, perhaps the ISP should've sent their bill disguised as an advertisement *grin*.

I have to say that I found it quite pleasurable to talk to the Consumer Agency. If only they would respond faster to the initial email: "Yeah, we have received your mail, and are processing it." Now there was no indication that they actually had received the mail, which was kinda annoying. But all in all, I like the fact that we are moving towards a state where we can talk to the government agencies and bureucracies using email and other electronic ways of communication.

But is it always good? Before, you needed to talk to a faceless bureucrat in some gray building deep in the city center, but at least it was personal. These days, you send an email, and you have no idea who responded, as personalities are hidden behind catch-all email addresses or switchboard numbers.

However, it's not an "or" question. We can still choose to go and meet the bureucrats in person, if we choose to. And probably get a better service than before, because they now have less people coming to meet them. That's what the Internet gives us - more choices to pick from. That's why it's good, I think.


MCI's saga continues


MCI's saga continues 04/01/2005 12:12 PM
Blog: The saga continues. In response to Qwest's latest offer to buy MCI, MCI's board of directors has agreed to re-open talks with...

The Sony/MP3 Saga Continues


The Sony/MP3 Saga Continues 04/13/2005 02:30 PM

Wiki Spam, saga continues


Wiki Spam, saga continues 06/06/2005 12:11 AM
Ever since I implemented the SpamFilter module for JSPWiki, the WikiSpam situation has improved dramatically. It works in two ways: first, it checks the submitted text against a list of regular expressions (typically domain names, but this is user-editable). This is what most blacklists do. In addition, it also has a limit how many pages the user can edit in one minute. If the user submits more than X number of edits, their IP address gets automatically blacklisted for a limited period of time.

In case the user is blacklisted or submits a blacklisted URL, he gets redirected to a page called "Rej ectedMessage", which describes the reason for the rejection of the edit. Most bots (and clueless spammer slaves, working in Brazil or China or wherever, and submitting spam manually) will continue to attempt editing this page, but since they are already blacklisted, they'll keep failing.

In addition, all the non-current revisions of pages at jspwiki.org have the Google rel=nofollow attribute set, so any WikiSpam that goes to the repository has no impact on search engine rankings. The spam is relatively trivial to remove as well, as one single spammer usually makes only about four-five changes to the site before getting blacklisted. They want to work fast to spam as much as possible, and this system forces them to work slow...

Of course, all this means that Rej ectedMessage has become the most accessed page in the history of JSPWiki. That's fun.


Microsoft's antitrust saga continues


Microsoft's antitrust saga continues 12/18/2003 08:33 PM
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Skeptical Environmentalist Saga
Continues


Skeptical Environmentalist Saga
Continues
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Copyright Bill saga continues


Copyright Bill saga continues 07/23/2004 09:35 PM

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As ignorance of the unknown continues to push forward, Wired News reports that the Senate Judiciary Committee be considering a bill that will place liability of technology companies when their product or service is used to violate copyright law. Certain groups are concerned that this would effectively outlaw Peer-to-Peer networks and the software that they run on….

Japan's FTC VS Microsoft - the saga
continues


Japan's FTC VS Microsoft - the saga
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Once again, Microsoft has declined to heed the latest Japanese Fair Trade Commission (FTC) warning against their anticompetitive practices. Microsoft has made their stance clear with the statement that “Contracts with Japanese PC makers do not violate the Japanese antimonopoly law”. As things stand right now, Microsoft holds contracts with 15 Japanese PC makers. The FTC does not have a problem with the fact MS is doing business with these companies. The FTC’s concerns actually…

RE: Copyright Bill saga continues


RE: Copyright Bill saga continues 07/24/2004 04:34 PM

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Well, by now you’ve read the item where Matt Hartley mentions a certain piece of legislation coming up for a vote in the not-too-dsitant future. While it’s true that this Act would seek to prevent people from releasing technolog that would ‘aid and abet’ those intent on breaking the copyrights of whatever intellectual property is for sale out there, a few moments deep thought would tell you why this legislation will either never see the…

The EU-Microsoft Antitrust Saga
Continues


The EU-Microsoft Antitrust Saga
Continues
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The Dirty Data Saga Continues:
Newspapers Doing More Damage Than Good


The Dirty Data Saga Continues:
Newspapers Doing More Damage Than Good
08/04/2004 01:34 PM
Adam Penenberg has already taken on the NY Times for becoming less relevant to people today, due to their "behind the registration wall" news concept. Now, he's picking up on the dirty data concept and admitting that he usually lies when registering for any news site, in part because those sites never give users anything of value in return for all your personal information. Penenberg took a very unscientific sample poll among people he knew, and it appears that most of the provide bogus information or use the two best tools on the internet for actually being able to read news: BugMeNot and Mailinator. Of course, the response from the registration required sites is always the same. They "need" to do this to give their advertisers more targeted info, so they can sell higher priced ads. However, there are two very major problems (which almost everyone sees, except those working on registration required sites): (1) if the data is bad, the advertisers may get suckered a few times into paying higher fees, but not for long and (2) if readers keep getting pissed off and just decide to go elsewhere, there won't be anyone's eyeballs to sell to advertisers anyway. Requiring registration is a short term strategy. It shrinks inventory and gives advertisers a fake reason to spend more. The end result is that advertisers will learn. They'll refuse to spend so much, and the sites will be stuck with lower traffic levels. How that makes sense long term is beyond me.

Western Press Review: The Yukos Saga
Continues, Religious Tolerance In
Georgia, And Regulating The Internet


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The 3Com Saga


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The GMail Saga


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Live The Saga.com


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LucasArts has just launched a slick new Star Wars Galaxies website. The site is designed to educate visitors on what the online game is about, allowing you to explore "the cantinas and bazaars of Tatooine and Naboo. Learn the details of character species, profession building and find out the state of the Galactic Civil War." There is also a download area with wallpapers, screenshots, and video of Jedi in battle. Good stuff - check it out.

A look back at the IBM PC saga


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Celebrate The Saga


Celebrate The Saga 03/25/2005 12:46 PM
With epic offers from Kellogg's! If you haven't been to the grocery store lately you might be missing out on some cool collectibles. Kellogg's has several promotions going on with many of their food products. You can get saber spoons, Episode I on DVD, card game, saga poster, R2-D2 bowl, Darth Vader voice changer, FX plate, Episode III poster or three different cookie jars! Each offer involves sending in an order form, a few UPC's and a check for a few bucks! Click here for the official Kellogg's Star Wars promotional website, where you can read up on all the details and see images of the special products offered! Special thanks to all of those who wrote in!

Saga Java RPG


Saga Java RPG 04/18/2004 03:03 AM
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Solar Saga


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iPod Battery Saga Goes On


iPod Battery Saga Goes On 05/26/2004 09:03 AM
Reuters is carrying a story that claims that the iPod's rechargeable batteries can falter after only a year, and criticises their charging limitations. By Macworld UK (via MyAppleMenu)

EA's Ubisoft Saga


EA's Ubisoft Saga 01/06/2005 05:07 PM
It's probable that EA will eventually move to buy Ubisoft outright, but there's no pressure to do it now.

The continuing saga of Minotaur...


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Should I get my hopes up? Bugzilla Bug 173084 Minotaur is getting resurrected again. Here is an updated config patch against the trunk. More to come...hopefully......

Saga Ends And OTC Begins


Saga Ends And OTC Begins 05/11/2004 10:31 AM
Hasbro has confirmed that the Saga Collection is ending this spring as we move into the OTC packaging, celebrating the release of the Original Trilogy DVDs, which I'm guessing we'll see until we have the final episode toys early next year. As such, we've renamed our Saga forum category to Saga Toys (2002-2004) and added a new category called Origin al Trilogy Collection (2004 to present).

New Saga Carded Photos


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Terry Bressi's long saga


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Vanguard - Saga of Heroes Screenshots 06/10/2004 11:53 PM
Imagine a vast, detailed world of swords and sorcery, of dragons and knights, of fiery swords and chests overflowing with treasure… a world in which a myriad of sentient races and creatures, many of whom players will be able to base a character on, live and affect change. A place where players can follow very different paths of advancement, including assuming the roles of adventurers, crafters and merchants.

Nokia Settles Symbian Saga


Nokia Settles Symbian Saga 07/08/2004 10:25 AM
All's well that ends well in telecom land.

SAGA.M31 -Galaxy- 0.6 (Default branch)


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Follow Up on Swift Boat Saga


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Spinsanity's Brendan Nyhan says I've contributed to the mis-impression that John Kerry knew he was volunteering for "particularly dangerous" duty when he took command of a Swift boat in Vietnam. He cites a Boston Globe story quoting Kerry's observation that the Swift boat duty he thought he was signing up for was relatively safe for a Vietnam posting. I have some quibbles with his interpretation of what I wrote in this post a few days ago; I'd argue that "relatively safe" in Vietnam was still dangerous, so that my post was technically correct (I didn't say "particularly" dangerous). But that's splitting hairs. Nyhan is undoubtedly right to say that some readers probably got a mis-impression from my posting. So mea culpa.

The continuing saga of IE Security
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The continuing saga of IE Security
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New Saga Figures Now Available At Cloud
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New Saga Figures Now Available At Cloud
City!
11/04/2003 09:25 PM
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Cisco calls halt to Huawei saga


Cisco calls halt to Huawei saga 08/09/2004 11:28 AM
PC Magazine UK Aug 9 2004 3:22PM GMT

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New allegations in Iraq mobile network
saga


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Darrel Issa named, again
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Microsoft and KONE Elevate the Customer
Experience Through Deployment Of Windows
Mobile-based Devices


Microsoft and KONE Elevate the Customer
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Mobile-based Devices
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Microsoft Corp. today announced that KONE, a leading company in the global elevator and escalator business based in Finland, is planning to deploy Windows Mobile (TM) -based devices to 11,000 employees in 17 countries over the next two years. This constitutes one of the widest customer deployments of Windows Mobile-based devices to date. KONE selected TBS's TaskMaster solution running on Windows Mobile-based Pocket PC Phone Edition devices to offer KONE a way to manage its mobile work force using ongoing, regular communication with employees. It can now offer valuable new services to its customers such as regular progress updates direct from field workers, enabling KONE to deliver an enhanced experience to customers. The distribution of regular updates using Windows Mobile-based devices also helps KONE to provide a safer working environment for its employees. The solution also is expected to reduce bottom-line costs and enable KONE to maintain its commitment to being the most innovative and professional organization in its field.

Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1
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Microsoft Announces Windows Media Now
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150 Percent Since 2003 CES


Microsoft Announces Windows Media Now
Supported By More Than 500 Devices, Up
150 Percent Since 2003 CES
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Today at the 2004 International Consumer Electronics Show (CES), Microsoft Corp. announced that support for Windows Media® on consumer electronics devices has grown 150 percent since the 2003 CES, resulting in more than 500 devices that now support Windows Media. These new devices add to the broad choice of devices for consumers supporting Windows Media. Also, new portable music players from leading consumer electronics manufacturers increase the size of the world's largest installed base of secure portable digital music players, bringing the tally to more than 4 million devices supporting Windows Media Audio (WMA) and Windows Media Digital Rights Management. In addition, Apex Digital Inc., KiSS Technology and Malata North America today announced the first DVD players supporting Windows Media Video (WMV) 9, and leading chip manufacturers Sand Video Inc. and Sigma Designs Inc. announced new chips supporting playback of high-definition WMV 9. Together, these new devices and chips help ensure that consumers can enjoy a wide variety of content on their choice of devices throughout the home and on the go.

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Terminal Server


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Creating your own Bootable Windows XP
CD-ROM and installing XP from boot disk


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Suicide Bombing


Japan Stalls Iraq Deployment After
Suicide Bombing
11/13/2003 01:46 PM
Reuters via Wired News Nov 13 2003 11:54AM ET

OneNote 2003 Service Pack 1 delivers
synchronization with Windows Mobile
devices


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synchronization with Windows Mobile
devices
04/21/2004 08:58 AM

Exchange 2003 Deployment Tools


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Seagate Tries to Block Import of Cornice
Hard Drive Devices


Seagate Tries to Block Import of Cornice
Hard Drive Devices
07/05/2004 09:28 AM

Last week, both Seagate and Western Digital sued hard drive newcomer Cornice in separate patent-infringement lawsuits. So besides that welcome wagon, Seagate has now asked the US International Trade Commission to ban the importation of any device that uses one of Cornice's 1-inch hard drives, which brings me to why you care. If the USITC goes for it, MP3 players from Aiwa, iRiver, Element, Agere, Rio, and RCA -- and that's just the short list -- could be illegal to import under the injunction. That takes the lawsuit from boring, insider sniping to slightly-less-boring and irritating, and well, I thought you should know.

Also, it must be frustrating for a new company, without years of links to cloud the Google waters, to return as the search results of its name two links to its website and a third to a news story about a lawsuit against them.
Read - Seagate targets rival with import ban demand [ElRegistor]


ePublishing Tools: Webhosting Content
for Mobile Devices


ePublishing Tools: Webhosting Content
for Mobile Devices
03/17/2005 03:41 AM
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Ori Amiga - Tour of mobile devices with
Visual Studio for Devices team


Ori Amiga - Tour of mobile devices with
Visual Studio for Devices team
09/25/2004 09:16 AM
Ori Amiga shows off all the devices that he has hanging out in his office (someone has to test Visual Studio and make sure it works great with all the devices).

XP SP2: Registry Hack and Download To
Prevent a System From Installing SP2


XP SP2: Registry Hack and Download To
Prevent a System From Installing SP2
08/13/2004 12:08 AM
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Installing On A Specified Drive


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Missing Windows XP Devices


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Microsoft Announces Windows Media
Connect Technology, Enabling Seamless
Media Transfer Between Windows XP-Based
PCs and Consumer Electronics Devices


Microsoft Announces Windows Media
Connect Technology, Enabling Seamless
Media Transfer Between Windows XP-Based
PCs and Consumer Electronics Devices
01/08/2004 07:36 PM
Today at the 2004 International Consumer Electronics Show (CES), Microsoft Corp. announced Windows® Media Connect, technology designed to enable hardware manufacturers to easily develop devices such as Digital Media Receivers (DMRs), which have rich functionality for playing digital media files stored on personal computers over home networks. A broad range of industry leaders have announced their support of this upcoming technology, including leading PC OEMs and consumer electronics device manufacturers including Arcadyan Technology Corp., Creative Labs, Dell Inc., Mediabolic Inc., PRISMIQ Inc., Rockford Corp., Roku, Simple Devices Inc. and Toshiba. Leading content service providers such as LAUNCH Music on Yahoo!, MusicNow (formerly FullAudio), and Napster also endorsed Windows Media Connect for its ability to extend the reach of their content and services to a new range of consumer devices. Available in 2004, Windows Media Connect technology will overcome two critical hurdles faced by networked media devices today: compatibility between proprietary devices and ease of access to content stored on the PC.

Symbol launches ruggedised Windows
devices


Symbol launches ruggedised Windows
devices
04/20/2004 09:54 AM
Computer Weekly Apr 20 2004 2:08PM GMT

Symbol launches ruggedized Windows
devices


Symbol launches ruggedized Windows
devices
04/19/2004 09:39 AM
Promising that you can drop its newest model handheld from six feet without damage, use it in the rain, and have it tumble 2,000 times from a height of 1 meter, Symbol Technologies on Monday unveiled two ruggedized Windows-based devices, the MC9000K and MC9000S.

Photos of Minimo Running on Windows
Mobile Devices


Photos of Minimo Running on Windows
Mobile Devices
03/14/2005 06:05 PM

Tools Of The Trade: Maxtor's external
hard drives for storing data from
overloaded computers


Tools Of The Trade: Maxtor's external
hard drives for storing data from
overloaded computers
05/22/2004 08:11 PM
Independent May 23 2004 0:45AM GMT

Windows Server 2003 Deployment Kit:
Automating and Customizing Installations


Windows Server 2003 Deployment Kit:
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03/13/2003 10:24 AM

The XP SP2 Deployment Saga Continues

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