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Journalist: Wikipedia is "outrageous,"
"repugnant" and "dangerous"

Journalist: Wikipedia is "outrageous,"
"repugnant" and "dangerous"
08/28/2004 08:12 AM

Cory Doctorow: A Techdirt writer sent a note to Al Fasoldt, a "journalist" with the Syracuse Post-Standard who wrote an editorial telling his readers that Wikipedia couldn't be trusted and should be avoided ("Wikipedia is a do-it-yourself encyclopedia, without any credentials").

Fasoldt responded with an increasingly patronizing and hysterical series of messages in which he described Wikipedia as "outrageous," "repugnant" and "dangerous," insulting the Techdirt writer and storming off in a huff.

My main problem was that he seemed to write off Wikipedia based solely on how it was created and maintained, and not at all on the actual content. Along with my post, I sent an email to the writer, Al Fasoldt, giving him some additional information about Wikipedia, and wondering why, after telling us how you can't trust any random info online, he trusted the email from a random librarian claiming Wikipedia was somehow untrustworthy. The ongoing discussion with Mr. Fasoldt has been quite a lesson in watching how a journalist (a) continues to make unsubstantiated allegations (b) seems to prefer insulting me and putting words in my mouth to actually responding to my points or questions and (c) sticks steadfastly to his belief that only "experts" can be trusted with information -- and, in his case, only experts that he chooses. Yet, somehow, we're supposed to find him more trustworthy than a self-correcting community. Figuring he might appreciate the views of others in his profession (you know, "experts"), I sent him links to Dan Gillmor's article on Wikipedia and Steve Yelvington's recent realization of the power of Wikipedia. However, rather than actually look at that information, Mr. Fasoldt accused me of wanting "students to trust a source that's not trustworthy." After some back and forth of this nature, where Mr. Fasoldt responded to my request that he do a little more research by saying: "I'm glad you're not the publisher of a newspaper" (apparently, his publisher lets him do no research at all) and then telling me that anyone who wrote for Wikipedia obviously knew nothing (his phrase was: "100 times zero is still zero"), I suggested an experiment. I pointed to the Wikipedia page on Syracuse, NY where he apparently lives, and suggested he change something on the page, to make it provably, factually incorrect -- and see how long it lasted. Rather than take me up on the experiment, or suggest an alternative, he complained simply that the whole idea of Wikipedia was "outrageous," "repugnant" and finally (in another email) "dangerous," and therefore he refused to take part in my experiment.
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file suit against
Microsoft

Calif. Cities,
Counties Sue
Microsoft

Win for ICANN
Windows XP SP2
Security Center
Spoof

Google to begin
trading today

Yahoo Sells Google
Shares for $191
Million

Yahoo sells $191M in
Google stock

Internet drug firms
fined for FDA
violations

Yahoo sells $191 mn
in Google stock

Online company picks
Pittsfield

Internet Explorer,
Security Concerns
and Browser
Alternatives

Ohio man stopped
from selling vote
online

SLT restores
internet services,
promises such
interruptions will
not occur again

Militants recruiting
women on Internet

FC Now: They've got
(less) mail

Rebel Cleric May
Have Emerged the
Winner (Los Angeles
Times)

Lawmakers Vote to
Allow Drug Purchases
From Canada (Los
Angeles Times)

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