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Exporting from Orkut 08/11/2004 11:30 AM

Doc asks the same question we all want.....

Subtract

People are asking me to be their contact on Multiply. There was an error processing your request. Please try again. it tells me, with advice to "contact customer service." I'm not a customer. I don't have the time. But I do wonder why we need yet another one of these things.

Ah, one friend just told me Multiply promised to import Orkut contacts, somehow. That's a good sell, if it can be done, I guess. If it has other advantages over Orkut, which has become too slow for me. In fact, it's busy not coming up right now.

[Doc Searls]

Me too! I wanna export from orkut - too!

But to export - we need to get explicit permission from each and every person - with them 'opting into' the export process. That will appear as a simple checkbox in folks' settings.

THEN Doc can use FOAFnet to import his social network into Multiply - theoretically. All Multipl has to do is support the FOAFnet.org spec!

That's EXACTLY why we created it!




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Why Orkut Doesn't Work
  - Posted by Ross Mayfield at 11:25 PM

Before we could learn to pronounce it, it was shut down.

It’s not that the servers are melting with the rapid rise to ~3 million page views or 500th most popular site in a couple of days. It’s not a conspiracy of data collection or a learning curve.

orkut, which should really be named Oogle, demonstrated that a high performance explicit social networking site, well designed for digital immeadiate gratification (one local engineer personally even complained they had to click from map to profile to add a friend), supported by brand and with the right root can unleash latent demand. I would say this is reflective of the dearth of social capital in our society, but aside from such heady stuff, frictionless whuffie fun, huh? Latent demand for what is the question.

Internet researchers would die excruciating deaths in search of the last days of data. I would venture a guess that most of the digerati that was already pre-conditions by existing services, an incomprehensible demographic that grants hypergrowth to the best, grants the best feedback, but easily taketh away.

okurt doesn’t work because it lacks constraints. Nothing holds people back. Nobody knows what a friend means. No social capital on the line. Its so fun and easy, choices and incentives are irrational.

Normally this would raise questions. Some constraints make good social compact. Some constraints on openness curb pollution (spam, security). One of the better constraints is price because it lead to profit.

However, AdSense is relatively frictionless. It adds new constraints while adding value. Same could be said for other well targeted forms of content, like blog posts…[Many-to-Many]

Here's what I just posted as a comment on Many-to-Many...

Trying to lock everything into a black or white - "friend" or not - is the root of the problem (IMHO.)
 
That's why our PeopleAggregator FOAF based social network - has varying levels of degrees of explicit 'relationships'.
 
Starting from 'Close Friend' and then 'Friend' (both of which need email verification) we relax our defintion of the relationships by calling the next relationship you can have with someone - an 'Acquaintance', then a "Know by Reputation" and then "Know in Passing". which (to me are nice ways of lessening the quality and depth of the relationship, while still acknowledging it's existence.
 
We then have a relationship type - called 'Related to' (for family relationships) and finally - we end with a blank "I don't know you, but I want to know you' kind of acknowledgement of a desire to start a relationship. These 7 levels of relationship certainly aren't perfect, the best or even a full range of emotions (notice we stayed away from any sort fo negative relationships.) But we DID create a scale of sorts - from very close to not at all - that represents the REAL nature of relationships - which answers the premise of Ross' complaint.
 
I agree that social networks need to go beyond just offering someone to be "your friend" or not. Granualarities of relationships are the way to go. It's the only way explicit digital social networks will ever be successful.

"Orkut"


"Orkut" 01/23/2004 05:24 PM

R.I.P. Orkut


R.I.P. Orkut 06/10/2004 05:46 PM

Orkut is now a spam-filled waste and inappropriate for professional use.  What a waste of a good opportunity.  I am now starting to appreciate LinkedIn's more conservative approach.


Orkut


Orkut 01/23/2004 04:12 PM

I awoke this morning to an explosion of invitatons to a new social network called Orkut.

Lots of things to say about it - first and foremost that it's a really clean, functional and exciting site!

Second - when I tried to join Orkut - I clicked on the 'Join Orkut' button and it told me - "Sorry you have to be invited into Orkut."

"Oh" I said.  "Then why is there a button saying "Join Orkut?"

That's pretty strange.

Now - the next thing is that Orkut is (apparently) created by Orkut Buyukkokten, who works at Google and just happens to be the guy who created the oriignal social network for Stanford - which is now part of Affinity Engines (who have a new CEO - BTW.)

Orkut has a pretty conspicuos message at the bottom saying "In affiliation with Google" - so if I was a betting man, I'd say Google decided NOT to buy Friendster - 'cause they got their employee Orkut - to roll their own internal system - which (just happens) to be called Orkut.

That said - let's just hope that Orkut will support FOAF - so we all can live happily together.

Orkut has Communities in it - so I created a few myself.

Here we go!

 


orkut


orkut 01/23/2004 02:22 PM
social-networking site .. Orkut

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orkut - help


orkut - help 02/10/2004 02:54 AM
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Orkut Needs Permachat


Orkut Needs Permachat 02/10/2004 03:02 AM

A community without communication is a dead community and friendship is more than just a wall of faces.  Connections between people are born out of interactions between them and strength of connections are primarily based on the amount and frequency of interactions.

So it is communication that binds people and communities together yet there is little of that going on in Orkut.  Yes, there is the message feature but it's works more like radio and discourages interaction.  Communities have topics, but topics are little rooms one must make effort to enter and compartmentalized conversations within a group setting do not encourage others to join in uninvited.

To get around these problems.  I think permachats should be created centered around individuals and communities.  A permachat is like IRC except conversations takes place over much longer period, days even.  Visibility of permachat should be limited to friends or friends of friends only.  Amount is determined by rate of actvity.To promote interaction and to encourage the sense of conversation, sense of time is removed, leaving only faces and names next to each entry.  Amount of activity within past 24 hours should be displayed in the 'view network' and 'my communities' pages using color hints (i.e. red for hot).

Permachat allows people who know me to communicate with me as well as others who know me.  This in turns allows them to become friends over time instead of using more explicit introduction based social networking.  It also allows interaction without spammy messages invading private spaces and deteriorating sense of friendship.

For communities, permachat serves as the single thread that binds the community.  Topics is too focus-oriented to serve this function.  Permachat allows casual conversations, encourages interaction, and informs every member with minimal effort.  And, most importantly, permachat allows new friendship to be born out these intereactions among community members just as conversations among friends of an individual helps them form new friendships.

A working example of permachat is #joiito.  #joiito IRC channel not only binds the friendship network centered around Joi, but also builds a community in itself as people get to know each other.  Topics come and go just as Joi comes and goes, but the conversation rolls on and weaves its social magic around everyone.  I think Orkut use a bit of that magic.


Orkut for bitches


Orkut for bitches 02/11/2004 04:27 PM
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Orkut in action


Orkut in action 02/11/2004 08:26 PM

I did finally meet someone who went on dates with three people she met on Orkut. So far so good she reports.

Orkut is supplying me with a life so, via orkut, I got comped into Etech, I got a meeting with VCs, 3 dates had, three arranged, and lots of people have walked up to me and said, "oh! hi!"


Orkut Experience


Orkut Experience 01/24/2004 09:27 PM

I just registered into Orkut, thanks to an invitation from Chris Pirillo -- thanks Chris!;-).  While the registration process was a bit tiring, Orkut UI and user experience were more pleasant than Friendster or LinkedIn.  It could use some improvements here and there, but at least it was pleasant enough for me to invited a bunch of friends and collegues, something I haven't done with other similiar services.

Hmm.  It might be interesting to mix PKI with social networking.  For example, I could issue Friend of Don certificates to my friends that basically say “I know this person to be trustworthy, smart, and nice enough to be my friend.“  What uses would such certificate have?  Nothing in the horizon but I am wondering what might lie beyond that...

If you are my friend and haven't received an invite from me, just send me an e-mail.  I just grabbed the names that were handy and definitely missed many of you whom I would be proud to call a friend.


Orkut Bay Area Map


Orkut Bay Area Map 02/18/2004 10:49 PM

I know that Orkut is a tired topic already, but here is a map from DataWhoreHouse showing distribution of Orkut members who exposed their general location on Orkut (via Scoble and Liz at Many2Many).  Hmm, no, I didn't have to pay to get layed.

Mostly what I expected except Silicon Valley looks like Death Valley for some reason.  A bug?


Orkut Death


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Orkut datamining 04/25/2004 08:27 AM

Somewhat scary, but pretty interesting Orkut datamining. An Orkut density map and a Orkut Personal Network GeoMapper. Here's a map of my network. It doesn't seem to map my complete network. It's also too bad it's not global yet.

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Orkut don't care about you


Orkut don't care about you 06/03/2004 12:37 AM

Orkut is too busy to play.... It seems the Orkut servers are overloaded at the moment. I've not been able to login for the past hour. Hopefully the Orkut team will invest in whatever is needed to help scale their websites.... [The Jeff Pulver Blog]

Um - somebody tell Jeff that Google/Orkut doesn't care about you or the performance of the site.  Orkut is a research project meant to suck end-user behavior patterns and profiles.  They don't care about you.


The edge of Orkut


The edge of Orkut 12/19/2004 03:06 PM

I just got the following message on Orkut.

Limit reached for number of friends

You have 1024 friends. You can only have up to 1000 friends. Before you can add more friends, you need to remove friends.

Partially because I was getting sick of social networks systems, partially because they were trying to be "exclusive" with invite only and partially because it was easy, I took the policy of saying yes to every friend request that didn't look like a fakester. Now I've found the edge of Orkut. According to Orkut, you can only have 1000 friends. I guess that's OK compared to the 150 or so for AIM. This error message reminds me a bit of real life. I know need to forget someone every time I meet someone I want to remember because I'm having a buffer overflow on my people recognition memory.

Now the question is... What do I do with my Orkut network now that I'm "done"?

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Orkut goes International


Orkut goes International 06/20/2004 11:55 PM

So I get this message today.....

Hi Marc,

We've just launched a new feature that allows you to specify the primary language of your community.

Why would you want to do this?

1. So that everyone posts in one language! As orkut.com gains more members from around the world, it makes it easier for you and everyone in your community if people can read each other's posts. This is hard to do if everyone's speaking different languages. 2. So that you can search communities by language. This way, when you're looking for new communities, you'll always find ones that you can read and participate in.

I say - "right on!"

We all need to start thinking more international! I bet this is really gonna make Orkut take off even more. Now if they only had something to do in there.

HHHmmmm - maybe like Gmail, Blogger and Google News.....in the valley of the search.


Alternative to Orkut


Alternative to Orkut 02/10/2004 02:51 AM
OnePotMeal announces a new Artificial Social Network for those of us griping about Orkut: Urkel....

Orkut Follies


Orkut Follies 02/10/2004 02:51 AM
Michael O'Connor Clarke is writing funnily (here and here) about the foibles of Orkut. His Monopoly card reminds me of a fake screen capture I used when talking about Artificial Social Networks (ASN) such as Orkut. Click for larger view Just in case it's not obvious, the point is that you can't get over ASNs' inherent binary nature by adding more binary choices. That is, the problem isn't just that the choices are too precise; the problem is also that the choices are necessarily explicit. Social relationships depend on being implicit, hidden, dark and unspoken....

Why Google needs Orkut


Why Google needs Orkut 02/10/2004 02:49 AM
In all the discussion of Orkut I've seen so far, most folks are busy comparing Orkut to every other social networking web site around, typically they mention Friendster ("it's so much faster!"), but as we all know these sites are a dime a dozen these days. At least it seems that way. What surprises me is that nobody has looked at it the other way around: What problems might Orkut solve that Google would otherwise find significantly more challenging? Those...

Orkut Goes Dark, At Least For A Bit


Orkut Goes Dark, At Least For A Bit 01/25/2004 08:34 PM

Orkut party


Orkut party 02/10/2004 02:47 AM

An yone go to the orkut.om launch party last night at Suite 181?. Did anyone go to the orkut.om launch party last night at Suite 181??? [The Social Software Weblog]

Sure - I was there.  Of course I was there!

I got to meet Orkut for the first time and I made sure that the FOAF meme was firmly implanted into his cranium.

A lot of people are hoping that Orkut will support FOAF.


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