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Entry #2,500

Entry #2,500 06/17/2004 05:49 PM

Last September, we celebrated numbe r 1,000. About two months later, we got to 1,500. Apparently we were too busy to celebrate number 2,000, because that one slipped by before we noticed.

So, here's 2,500, which is cool for the sole reason that my goal for the site has always been 5,000 posts. For a long while, I managed to keep up 10 posts per day, but then my job got the better of me and I slacked off a bit. For the last 30 days, we've been averaging 3.33 posts per day, which seems really low to me. If you take out weekends, we get up to about 4.

At this rate we'll hit 5,000 somewhere in February 2006. I'll still be here. I hope you will too.

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I can see the value of an obtrusive validator, as long as the obtrusive part was only checking well-formedness (i.e., really basic mistakes).

(2) Some people pointed out that my own blog was not valid. I have two responses to that:

(a) I am not arguing for perfectly valid XML documents. I am arguing for well-formed XML documents. There is a difference. I think asking that the page be well-formed is setting the bar fairly low. For example, one of the current errors on this blog is that I have two elements with the same id. While this makes the blog invalid, it does not have any effect on the blog being well-formed. At least I don't think it does. :)

(b) I'm illustrating a point, namely that I have no reason to make the blog valid, given that browsers will display the blog anyway.

(3) People complained that I wasn't serving up XHTML. I can't actually serve up XHTML if I want the blog to be displayable in all browsers, including Safari, which still has sufficient issues with XHTML that I can't make that switch yet.

(4) My comments on HTML error handling were largely misinterpreted.

Some people thought I was attacking WinIE for its permissive handling of HTML. I was not, and I'm glad others appreciated that fact. Back in the 90s WinIE had to emulate the permissive error handling of the then-dominant browser Netscape. They had no choice if they wanted Web sites to be viewable as the designer intended. They were in the same position then that Safari is in now.

Nor am I suggesting that WinIE should become less tolerant of malformed HTML, or that they are at fault for not doing so. That is simply not a logical conclusion to have drawn from my previous comments. You can't take a Web site (even a malformed one) that works a certain way and suddenly refuse to render it or even render it radically differently than before.

For HTML, this issue was resolved long ago in favor of permissive error handling and recovery, and no modern browser is to blame for that situation.

Others said a browser that handles malformed HTML is better than one that does not, and if Safari doesn't handle all this malformed HTML, then it's simply not as capable a browser.

What amused me about this comment is that there is no definition of what it means to handle malformed HTML. As long as a browser shows you something and doesn't crash, it has handled the malformed HTML. What people don't understand is that you don't simply have to handle the malformed HTML. You have to handle it in exactly the same way as the Web browser that the site author designed for.

If you do not, you'll end up with different renderings of the same page, which as I said before, constitute the largest set of rendering differences between Web browsers. Perfect emulation is what makes error recovery so difficult. If you allow grossly malformed pages, then most XML on the Web will end up being grossly malformed (as is the case with HTML today).

Once you have a Web full of grossly malformed XML, there will be one dominant browser that designers will check to see if the site looks ok. They will then make assumptions that other browsers will recover from the malformation errors in precisely the same way and will simply assume that it is the fault of the other browsers if they don't.

Right now it is the responsibility of alternate browsers to emulate the dominant browser's error recovery strategies, but there's simply no reason to do that for XML as well.


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