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A statement is not a conversation (XML.org)







A statement is not a conversation
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A statement is not a conversation
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08/05/2002 10:43 PM




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a surrealistic conversation


a surrealistic conversation 11/16/2003 05:58 AM
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weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2003/06/13.html#a721
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The long conversation


The long conversation 05/27/2004 06:26 PM
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The ever evolving conversation


The ever evolving conversation 03/26/2005 04:33 PM

For about three years now - I'm been hemming and hawing and giving people a hard time and (apparently) acting belligerent - about Open Identities.

About the notion of open DNS-like indices of people. And what we could do with them. You see I spent much of teh 90's desinging systems that relied uypon a theoretical notion - that noadasys is called social software and social networking. And at the core of that - is digital identity.

So as the world has caught up with my ideas, it's becoming more and more important that we DO IT RIGHT!

Now Tribe is calling that the PeopleWeb, Microsoft has a [can't talk about it but will soon] platform and Dick Hardt and his Sxip Networks is rolling out.

Along the way the Identity Commons has launched their i-Names effort and PingID continues to lead in the open source Liberty Alliance (and other enterprise protocols) space.

So Doc cautions us and says "we're barely srarted."

No shit - Sherlock.

But like I said - it's all happening. I just wish Dave Winer were part of the conversation - too.


Polite Conversation


Polite Conversation 06/24/2005 08:38 PM
talkingstick
I've been at a conference for the last couple of days, and have spent a significant portion of that time eavesdropping on conversations. Aside from the obvious observations (that most people don't listen, and that men do most of the talking and interrupting in mixed company conversations) what most astonished me was the unintended lack of politeness and courtesy that seems to characterize most conversations. It's not that the participants are rude -- it's just that they seem to lack mutually-understood and mutually-respected protocols to govern conversation in a civilized manner. This, in a world in which we are beleaguered by rules in almost everything else we do, seems remarkable to me.

So I did a bit of research to see whether I could find some protocols, some rules of behaviour, that work effectively regardless of the number, gender or conversational style of the participants. The longest-established protocol is also, it seems, the most misunderstood. This is the protocol of the Talking Stick, which has its roots in aboriginal American culture and in that of some third-world cultures as well. The basic rules of the Talking Stick protocol, from what I can ascertain, are as follows:
  1. The person holding the Talking Stick is the only one who can speak.Others must listen and not interrupt, even to ask clarifying questions. The onus is on the speaker to be clear, brief, and respectful.
  2. Generally the person most respected by the group (the tribal elder, or the person selected by the elder to present the issue to the group) talks first.
  3. The Talking Stick is then passed clockwise as each person finishes, and makes one complete circle of the participants. Participants with nothing to add simply pass the Stick along.
  4. The person who spoke first asks then whether additional discussion is warranted, and if anyone thinks so, the Stick is again passed around the circle.
There have been a number of 'improvements' suggested to this process, such as allowing clarifying questions, allowing people to reach for the stick in any order, first-come, first-served, and summarization or 'voting' processes, but none of these enhancements has a distinguished history and none in my opinion represents a significant improvement to the basic protocol. Allowing the group to engage in two-person iterative Q&A, or sidebar conversations, would seem to me to abrogate the three duties of clarity, brevity and respectfulness, or at least render them less necessary. In some Talking Stick circles, if you take the stick you must begin your speech by briefly reiterating what the previous speaker said, and only when that synopsis receives a nod from the previous speaker can you begin saying your piece. In some cases this might work brilliantly, but in others it could make the conversation interminably long and repetitive.

It is not clear to what extent the Law of Two Feet applies in Talking Stick circles -- where if you find the discussion valueless or frustrating you have the option to leave, without repercussions, and perhaps start another conversation on the same or another subject with those similarly inclined. The alternative would be to assume that if you chose to accept the invitation to join the conversation in the first place, you owe the rest of the group the courtesy of giving them your attention until it is finished. My personal view is that this judgement (whether leaving a conversation you find tedious is discourteous or not) is best left up to the individual.

I have witnessed many 'moderated' conversations, where one person decides who will speak next, or where people raise their hands to be next to speak and a first-come, first-served honour system applies, and found them mostly frustrating. But anarchy, where the loudest voice always prevails, seems to me even more so, and also unfair. Where the participants are part of a hierarchy, and rank clearly determines speaking priority, the result is too often not really conversation at all, but rather an information reporting and instruction exercise.

I have witnessed, too, meetings that allow the listeners to use tacit signals to prompt the speaker without interrupting them: Holding up a green card means "I like what you're saying", a red card the opposite, and a yellow card signals "I don't understand what you're saying". They tend not to work, I think, because the green encourages unnecessary loquaciousness, the red is rarely used because it would be perceived as rude, and the yellow is rarely used because it might make the listener appear stupid. Electronic equivalents (IMs that the speaker can read on-screen while talking) present the same discouragements, and also are more of a distractions than most speakers can handle on the fly.

One of my favourite conversational formats is the interview/Q&A, where one (or more) persons pose questions and the other(s) restrict themselves to answering them. There is a certain inherent democracy in such conversations -- each side gives up certain speaking rights in return for receiving others. Unrehearsed, they require considerable skill and agility to pull off eloquently. Rehearsed, they can be extremely effective at transferring knowledge but they become less conversations than performances.

So my sense, based more on observations of what doesn't work than what does, would be that the use of a Talking Stick or similar icon might be very helpful, even in two-person conversations (to reduce propensity to interrupt). I'm ambivalent about whether passing the Stick clockwise or allowing anyone to grab it next providing they satisfactorily summarize the last speaker's message first, would work better -- and I suspect it would depend on the subject and the conversational style of the participants. I do like the idea of using a subtle timer to reinforce the importance of clarity and brevity, which seem so absent in most modern conversations that the resulting incoherence is often unintentionally hilarious to the eavesdropper. Beyond that, I'm not partial to any 'improvements' to the basic four-rule Talking Stick process described above.

What's worked for you? Have you tried using such techniques, and when are they effective (and not)? Are there other techniques, newer or older, that work better, and when are they appropriate? And what of telephone and Skype conversations, or those anarchic multi-party IM sessions? Could a 'virtual Talking Stick' be introduced to organize such conversations? It should be easy enough for the technology to handle, but has anyone actually tried imposing this kind of discipline on non-face-to-face conversations? And perhaps most important, does practice using these techniques tend to make more polite, respectful and articulate conversations second nature? Or is there some reason I'm missing why interruption and 'louder voices prevail' protocols are so prevalent in our conversations, seemingly by default?


"An Actual Conversation"


"An Actual Conversation" 09/27/2004 11:18 AM

Conversation with GoDaddy


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I spent some time on the phone with the folks at GoDaddy today and they have a few ideas on what is going on with the server and are going to try a few things on the box we will keep our fingers crossed.

We will see what happens over the next few days.


Democracy is a conversation


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Say 'Nazi' or 'Hitler' and End the
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"BlogPulse?s Conversation Tracker"


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Frank conversation about torture


Frank conversation about torture 05/10/2004 08:54 AM
Over at Frank Paynter's there's been an interesting and useful discussion of my attempt to find a way for the left and the right to agree on a policy condemning torture. (As I've noted several times now, I should have talked not about the right wing but about the Rush wing.) Frank's first blog entry about it is here and his reply to my reply is here. Be sure to read the comments where I am taken to task rather severely by some exceptionally thoughtful people. (I reply there also.)...

James Tauber gets into the conversation


James Tauber gets into the conversation 09/25/2004 01:47 PM

I just received this comment from James Tauber:

More on Aggregation Versus Hosting

Previously on this blog, I've called for a separation of hosting from aggregation. I want to be able to maintain authoritative data on one site and have other sites use it for their aggregation.

When I read Ted Leung's entry Microcontent personality disorder and Steve Mallett's comments on it, my immediate thought was that they could both have what they want if we could separate where we host our data with where it is aggregated and made "social".

Marc Canter (whose work around Digital Lifestyle Aggregators is definitely worth following) resp onds to Steve Mallett. Marc is spot on that people have their information all over the place. But I still believe that if systems are built to support a separation between hosting and aggregation, they'll support both the distribution of primary data and the kind of "self-hosting" that a certain segment like Steve and myself want.

Bottom line is all combinations of centralized/decentralized hosting/aggregation should be possible.

It's not that hard to do. Sites that aggregate just need to provide a mechanism where users can point to their data hosted somewhere else rather than have to re-enter their data in multiple aggregators. Aggregators then keep customers based on the value of their aggregation, not the lock-in of being the hosts of people's valuable data. People who want hosting for their pictures, blogs, etc can use hosting services to do it. But their choice of hosting service should not impact their participating in aggregation and the social aspects of micro-content that follow.



[James Tauber]


The Conversation Grows Richer


The Conversation Grows Richer 04/13/2004 02:17 PM

Technorati has added an astoundingly smart new feature, and BoingBoing is showcasing it. As Cory explains:

"Other blogs commenting on this post" at the bottom of our posts -- this is a link to Technorati's index of all the blogs that have linked to each of Boing Boing's posts. It's not quite a Discuss link, but if you have a blog and you post a comment about one of our posts to it, Technorati will find it and index it."
I'll talk more about this later -- I'm busy with book stuff today -- but let's just say that I can't wait to get this enabled on my blog.


A Conversation with Wayne Rosing


A Conversation with Wayne Rosing 10/28/2003 11:07 PM
An iterview with one of my bosses, Google's VP of engineering. An incredibly smart and experienced guy. (I'm not sucking up; he doesn't read my blog. ;) Interesting if you want to learn more about Google's engineering culture. One great quote:
I think the sum total of what I hope for the first decade of this century is some variant on the memex. We're going to have the vast majority of high-quality, permanent, high-value, human knowledge available to everyone, from many places, in multiple forms.

And that's fundamentally going to change humanity in as big a way as the printed word did—when it became inexpensive to replicate the printed word.


Sunday Morning Conversation


Sunday Morning Conversation 06/17/2005 07:16 PM

Kailee’s on Runescape this morning, exasperated at an offline friend’s actions online. A few days ago, she told me about her Runescape boyfriend. Seems she was talking to someone in the game, and he asked if he could be her “bf.” She thought that meant “best friend,” so she said sure. Only when he dumped her did she find out that “bf” means “boyfriend.” She took it pretty well, though, considering she didn’t know she was dating him to begin with.

Today, however, she’s frustrated. She’s on Runescape chatting with a friend who lives a few blocks away. Apparently the friend has Kailee’s login and password (red flag!) and has been logging in as Kailee now and then. At some point, the friend was on as Kailee when the ex-bf came back and wanted to be her bf again, so the friend said sure, not realizing Kailee didn’t care. Now, though, the friend is upset that Kailee has a bf and she doesn’t, even though Kailee doesn’t want a bf and the friend is the one that said “sure” in the first place. Even worse, she won’t interact with Kailee on Runescape because she thinks Kailee is “on a date.”

I asked Kailee if she knows the friend’s login and password, and her response was, “One of them.” I don’t know why I expected the answer to be “yes” or “no” in this day and age, but I did. She went on to say that the friend has several accounts, and it’s just too hard to remember them all.

Some interesting life lessons going on here, but the scariest part is how freely Millennials trade identities without a care in the world. We’ve repeatedly told Brent not to give his Runescape password to his friends, but they all know each others’ accounts and log in as someone else. It must make for interesting conversations when you don’t know what you might have said before.

Time for another family meeting….


Is There Hope for Humanity?: A
Conversation


Is There Hope for Humanity?: A
Conversation
06/05/2005 11:12 PM
I'm beginning to appreciate that conversati ons are useful ways to explore ideas even if they're with yourself. So here's some more thinking out loud between my two schizophrenic halves, Dave the Idealist and Dave the Skeptic, on the subject of whether humanity has what it takes to get its act together and save the world:

Dave the Idealist
Dave the Skeptic
Yes, I know I liked John Gray's book, found it liberating in fact, but I still believe people are good at heart, and their instincts are right if they can re-learn to listen to them. And remember Margaret Mead: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world.  Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
So your argument is that we're going to save the world either by some massive act of collective altruism, even though such a thing is unprecedented, or by some subversive act by some clever noble clique of do-gooders. You know, some people would say that Bush's neocon born-again cabal fit Margaret Mead's 'small group of world-changers' definition perfectly. If that's what she was referring to, small groups of nazis and megalomaniac idealists, we're in trouble. Or is your 'small group' going to put birth control in the water supply and sabotage civilization until we have anarchy and chaos? -- which is actually the neocons' dream situation, since if that were to happen they'd just take over and feel self-justified in doing so, as they would see you as terrorists.
We overcame slavery, we gave women the vote, we invented written language and a lot of other amazing things, including birth control technologies, we've made democracy, an improbable way of running the world, work, and we've found ways to strike a balance in the economy between complete totalitarianism and complete laissez-faire. We're learning what doesn't work, we have unprecedented peer-to-peer grassroots communication and organization, and we have more knowledge available to a larger percentage of the population than ever before. And instead of just writing dystopias, many people are actually proposing practical ways to bring about massive change.
The last century featured more murders, more imprisonment, more torture, more war deaths, and greater extremes in distribution of wealth and power than any in our history. Every technology we've invented has a dark side that has been more effectively exploited than its positive applications. And as for communication, the digital divide is wider than ever. You shouldn't judge the state of the world by the view from your rosy little corner of it.
Stories are all we are. When we have learned new stories, we have become very different creatures very quickly, in a generation or two. It's our ingenuity, our ability to change and respond to new and intuitively better, healthier, happier ways to live, and learn from each other peer-to-peer that makes me optimistic and hopeful, not new technologies, which I admit are a double-edged sword.
Stories also allow fanatics and maniacs to raise huge and bloodthirsty armies, and allow cults, including most modern religions and political parties, to brainwash people to act against both their personal and collective interest. Myths and other stories allow people to tolerate and live in denial of atrocities going on all around them. Religious stories have prompted most of history's most brutal and protracted wars. And we're so adaptable that we learn to live a life of never-ending oppression, subjugation and deprivation, and we delude ourselves that our pathetic lives are good, healthy, deserved, getting better and the only way to live.
But we are also capable of forgetting, forgiving and moving on quickly, when a better story, a better way of living, is told to us. And in the last decade a significant minority of the population is on a roll -- better informed, more inventive, more attuned to and knowledgeable about that's needed, what's happening and what's possible than ever before. They're able to use networking technology to make creative, synthetic, analogical and metaphorical leaps, collaboratively, in ways that would have been almost unimaginable even a generation ago. We have already witnessed, in the 1960s, a huge shift in mainstream thinking and worldviews occurring in an astonishingly short period of time, and if we could do something like that again now we have much more powerful tools and much greater knowledge to do it with, so it might actually endure this time.
Pure romanticism. The 1960s weren't nearly as rosy and liberated as you remember them. Many guys jumped on the bandwagon in complete ignorance and indifference to the peace and liberation movements -- they were merely attracted by the promise of cheap dope and easy sex. Your faith (and it's nothing more than faith, since there's no solid reasoning behind it) that we could start a similar movement in this century and this time it would endure and bring about ubiquitous change, is simply the left-wing version of the right-wingers' Rapture. People don't change, cultures don't change, and there's an unprecedented level of investment in maintaining the status quo working against any little movement that might threaten that. We are programmed by our DNA to spend almost all of our time and energy living moment to moment and distracted by the minutiae of constant and trivial decisions. And even if this were not so, as Gray argues so articulately we have no 'free will' or collective consciousness. Even as 'individual' creatures we are merely collections of cells, molecules and organs, each doing what they do, largely for mutual benefit, and almost entirely (99.9999%) subconscious. So belief that we can somehow get our personal act together, let alone one at the level of some higher social order, and transform ourselves into what we are not, seems to me the height of folly, a form of leftist religious fanaticism.
There you go, relying on science again, that collection of unreliable and creaky models of reality, to make your argument. The whole, at every level of aggregation, is always greater than the sum of the parts. Gaia is much more than just all individual life on Earth. We as individual and wondrous creatures are more than a mere collection of our cells, molecules and organs. And I'm not being spiritual here. Forget about 'consciousness' and these other academic and utterly meaningless concepts. We as individuals, and our planet as an organism of a different order, are mostly what happens between our composite parts. We are sensation, reaction, communication, learning, understanding, and the stories that recall them. Most of what we are at both the creature level and at the Gaia level are what is happening in the intersections, margins and edges around the component parts. That is where our true sense of self and meaning resides, that is where our instincts draw their wisdom, that is what our DNA remembers and tells us to do. Your myopic science, looking at individual organisms in isolation, is no more able to understand the great truths of life, and the nature of our existence, than a collector dissecting dead monarch butterflies is able to comprehend the astonishing transformation of that creature's life, or how it could have 'learned' where and how to migrate when three generations have transpired since the last generation, or how sun and flowers and smells make a butterfly happy and inform its understanding of the purpose of its life.
Let's look at this argument. You're saying, I think, that almost all of what we are is subconscious, and that an important part of what we are is our relationships with 'others' outside ourselves. Yes? OK. So then you're saying that what can/will save us is something in our collective unconsciousness or subconsciousness? That deep down 'we' intuitively know what needs to be done, what is happening, and what is possible, and will use that knowledge to collectively do what is in our collective interest. Well, at least that's better than relying on gods. But if we had this great collective unconsciouness or subconsciousness, wouldn't we have been able to figure out, even before Einstein did, that almost all human inventions, notably in the media (since the invention of writing and the printing press), in transportation (since the invention of the lever, the inclined plane, the sledge and the wheel) and in the tapping of stored energy (since the invention of controlled fire) would have more negative consequences for our planet than positive ones, and hence prevent them from emerging? No, don't give me that nonsense that the global population is leveling off because we somehow 'know' it must, since people have repeatedly told researchers the only reason they don't have one or two more kids each is that they can't financially afford it (for now). If we ('we' being either all humanity or all creatures on the planet) are our own collective guiding hand, that guiding hand has done a pretty lousy job over the last 30,000 years. Just because we've lost touch with nature and Gaia, you say? I think it's more likely that we're just an exceptionally fierce and adaptable species which emerged by random accident from the primeval soup and, like all fierce and adaptable species in Earth's history, plagued (in the literal sense of the word, not the moral one) the planet until a meteor came along, or a climate change or new species evolved that preyed on excessive numbers of the plague species, and restored equilibrium and the selected preference of known life for biodiversity. Disequilibrium is neither new or unnatural in the universe. And that, more than the crown of creation, more even than the sum of our 'stories', is what we humans really are.


Participating in the Global Conversation


Participating in the Global Conversation 04/25/2004 10:11 PM

Active Résumés

"Alf Eaton writes today:

I think the MP3 blogs (which are essentially annotated playlists) might well be taking the middle ground in the P2P vs music industry wars - I hope that the record industry will begin to see the value in what these grassroots enthusiasts are doing to promote their music. On the other hand, a large part of making these playlists under current laws involves turning your back on the major labels and concentrating on the music libre, the 'free music', the stuff that wants to be shared. Those artists that make their tracks freely available online are the ones that will benefit most from the collaborative filtering and recommendation networks that are being set up. [Hublog]

Let's extend that remark: Any professional whose work is visible on the Net will become part of the conversation that establishes reputation and creates opportunity. The blog is an active résumé that enables you to participate -- by proxy -- in that conversation....

Here's the bottom line. What Alf calls "collaborative filtering and recommendation networks" will rival -- and my guess is, largely supplant -- conventional marketing and promotion. But if those networks can't find you, they won't be able to help you." [Jon's Radio]

Interesting when thought of in the context of libraries. It's exactly why our services - especially our online catalogs - need to be open and exposed. Exhibit A: LibraryLookup.


Meta conversation on metadata


Meta conversation on metadata 11/01/2003 08:35 AM
Jay "Misspells His Own Last Name" Fienberg has trenchant comments on my article about metadata. A big part of our difference may have to do with the loose (= wrong) way I define metadata. Part of it may have to do with where we're looking at metadata issues. E.g., Jay thinks there's no essential difference between arguments over FOAF and over the format by which we express date data; I'm instead thinking about the argument over what categories of info we need to exchange information about our friends. The argument over how to express that info is, I agree, important...

a conversation with marianne pearl


a conversation with marianne pearl 05/02/2004 11:53 PM
A conversation with Marianne Pearl
is one of the more moving interviews I have ever heard and was certainly a highlight of the weekend. She is a beautifully calm person with seemingly the right approach to an awfully violent world.

A Conversation With Master Replicas


A Conversation With Master Replicas 04/13/2004 03:36 PM
I recently visited Master Replicas headquarters in California, during which I was able to sit down with Scott Vogel, President and CEO, and ask him some questions that are on the minds of Master Replicas collectors.

OM Malik's commoditization conversation
roundup


OM Malik's commoditization conversation
roundup
03/06/2004 01:53 AM
Om Malik has a great roundup of the tragedy of the information commons debate stimulated by Jeff Jarvis What if...

how trackback improves a market
conversation


how trackback improves a market
conversation
06/25/2004 01:57 PM
comments let people argue with each other instead of addressing the topic at hand

interesting OJR conversation on online
ethics


interesting OJR conversation on online
ethics
08/12/2004 01:16 PM
same rules as always: don't be a scumbag

Aristotle and conversation: Maybe I
wasn't completely wrong


Aristotle and conversation: Maybe I
wasn't completely wrong
06/17/2005 04:25 PM
A couple of days ago, I wrote up a thought that I was afraid sounds better than it is. But now I think maybe it isn't as hollow as I'd thought. The idea was this: Aristotle says that to know x is to place x into a relationship of similarity and difference: A robin is a type of bird (same as all other birds) but is a unique species of bird (different from all other birds). This is a world-changing insight, especially since Aristotle thought it was true not just of knowledge but of reality. But as our belief in...

MediaGuardian.co.uk | Media | The long
conversation


MediaGuardian.co.uk | Media | The long
conversation
06/01/2004 02:27 AM
The long conversation - Giles Turnbull spoke to the authors of the seminal Cluetrain Manifesto - five years after it first appeared online

media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1225295,00.html
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Macs, passion, and continuing the
conversation


Macs, passion, and continuing the
conversation
06/06/2005 12:09 AM
I got mentioned over on a Jupiter Research blog today by Michael Gartenberg: Our Passion, Your whatever :) - Microsoft's Mediocre Marketing. Sadly, he didn't actually link here. The backstory: I wrote this piece in March about how early adopters...

Politics as a Loosely Connected
Conversation


Politics as a Loosely Connected
Conversation
01/28/2004 06:41 PM
The estimable David Weinberger has launched Loose Democracy. "I make no apologies for my enthusiasm about the way in which the Web can improve our democracy. About this issue I am unabashedly partisan," he says. This is going to be good.

Amid the Cacophony, a Quiet Conversation


Amid the Cacophony, a Quiet Conversation 08/12/2004 02:38 AM
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The Open Conversation (Ziff Davis)


The Open Conversation (Ziff Davis) 06/28/2004 04:50 PM
Ziff Davis - The Java debate calls attention to the open-source model.

Technorati and the evolving corporate
conversation


Technorati and the evolving corporate
conversation
03/14/2005 04:23 PM

Update 3/9/05 @ 9:16 AM: Dave Sifry, CEO of Technorati, has a nice writeup of the situation from Technorati's perspective. Not only are they not censoring their employees' weblogs, they are sticking by an employee (and a relatively new one at that) who did something foolish when they could have just pulled the plug on him. I especially liked the point about the speed at which the situation was handled...people these days want instant results (it's easy to see how weblogs tie into this), but things don't always work that way. Note to self: slow down sometimes, will ya?

Update 3/8/05 @ 9:11 AM: Niall has posted an apology on his site with a little more information on what happened. Here's his most recent take on Technorati's policy:

It is for this reason it is recommended that Technorati employees seek the opinion of a coworker if they are unsure of how a post might be interpreted by others, to lend a fresh pair of eyes and an experienced mind to your intended message.

Read the whole thing...I don't think Technorati's position on this is unfair at all. It's a tough issue and it's going to be messy at times (as we saw with Mark Jen's situation at Google). Companies in the past have typically been very top down with everything, including the "message", emanating from upper management. As companies have become more open, they've relied on their employees "drinking the Kool-Aid" to ensure a uniform message to the outside world. But lately, customers have been wanting something more authentic and some companies, particularly in the blogging space, are attempting to provide it. And they're probably gonna get a little bloodied for it in the short term. Is it even possible for a company to participate in a conversation in the marketplace with multiple opinions represented, some of which may even be in direct opposition with each other? How will customers react to a company disagreeing with itself in public? (Answer: probably not very well in the short term.)

Note: I modified the title of the post to something more accurate and less inflammatory given the situation as it currently stands.

Original post

On Saturday, Niall Kennedy posted some Photoshopped "propaganda posters from the 1940s to express how corporations would like to control what their employees say on a weblog, at a bar, or even to their families". At some point after that, he took the post down after Technorati (his employer) complained about it and replaced it with the following:

Technorati would rather I did not express an opinion on issues such as corporate blogging policies that are affecting the world of weblogs. This post has been overwritten and my artwork posted to Flickr is now marked as private and available only to Flickr contacts marked as friends.

Yes, I was threatened with "serious consequences" for not seeking corporate approval for a weblog posting relating to an industry issue. Tomorrow will undoubtedly bring many conversations about if employees are allowed to have their own voice and write weblog entries without passing through an executive mouthpiece first.

It should be interesting. A blogging company applying strong filters to employee weblogs about public issues that affect the community.

If my original post is not up for a while, you will know how things turned out. I love the industry and writing about weblogs, technology, and search and hope to continue to share my personal point of view in the future.

The original post is back up on Niall's site (update: looks like the post is down again) with the following disclaimer:

The commentary expressed on this weblog is my point of view and may not necessarily represent the point of view of Technorati.

On a post about this on Buzzhit, Niall explains what happened (italics mine):

Technorati executives are concerned about how employee weblogs expressing opinions may be interpreted as an official Technorati position. All Technorati employees have been asked to review weblog posts with staff members before posting. I reinstated my original post this morning and I am ready to willing to hear the community's response to my individual voice. I hope to continue to share my passion for the industry through my weblog without editorial oversight.

For a company that relies on aggregating content by scraping full posts from almost 8 million blogs, vetting their employees' personal writing seems like a curious (not to mention ironic and hypocritical) position for Technorati to take. Aside from this specific incident, I've noticed that blogs written by people who go to work in the blogging industry usually get updated less, are less about blogging than they were before as well, and are also less critical of blogging. If everyone who's really into blogging gets snatched up by blogging companies and eventually clam up, I don't see that as a positive thing for the industry as a whole.


That Parent-Child Conversation Is
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RCA Lyra 2850 Revealing (But Tasteful)
Centerfold Spread


RCA Lyra 2850 Revealing (But Tasteful)
Centerfold Spread
06/18/2004 11:33 AM

normal_rca_rd2750_main_01.jpg imageDAPreview entices the new RCA Lyra 2850, a 20GB hard disk player, to give it all up in this huge pictorial spread, even squeezing a little player-on-player action with the milfy first-generation iPod. The sexiest part about the 2850 -- and lets face it, it's sort of a butter face -- is its, uhm, insides, with a browse-by-ID3 tag feature that lets you navigate your library by even semi-obscure ID3 categories like Genre or Year and can even build its own ID3 tag database on the fly -- a first for a standalone player.
Read [DAPreview]


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Fever in Commercial Printer Market: Lyra
Research Studies How Digital Imaging is
Transforming the Commercial Printing
Landscape


New Lyra Report Examines Acquisition
Fever in Commercial Printer Market: Lyra
Research Studies How Digital Imaging is
Transforming the Commercial Printing
Landscape
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Partner: The Dell(TM) PowerEdge(TM) 2850
Server featuring Intel(R) Xeon(TM)
processors.


Partner: The Dell(TM) PowerEdge(TM) 2850
Server featuring Intel(R) Xeon(TM)
processors.
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Take a product tour.

Dec. 2: RCA Lyra A/V Jukebox


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The demon lord B'harne, servant of the
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commenced his assault on the human race.
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Lyra Research Announces New European
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Ilford Imaging along with HAESF Fellow
Gábor Nagy


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Analysts: Peter Mayhew Tapped from
Ilford Imaging along with HAESF Fellow
Gábor Nagy
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Lyra Research recently appointed industry veteran Peter Mayhew, previously of Ilford Imaging in the United Kingdom, as its senior European analyst. Mayhew is joined by Hungarian fellowship participant Gábor Nagy and U.K.-trained Cortney Kasuba, who have joined Lyra's Wide-Format Production Printing Advisory Service (WFS) and Hard Copy Supplies Advisory Service (SAS), respectively, as research analysts. [PRWEB May 26, 2005]

Lyra Research's David Rocheleau to
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Cartridges at eurOPe 2005 (Europe's
Leading Office-products Conference)


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Pricing Seen as Driving Factors


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Pricing Seen as Driving Factors
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Lyra's new report, "Personal Monochrome Laser MFPs: Hardware and Supplies Forecast and Analysis" is required reading for anyone in the monochrome laser hardware or supplies businesses. This report includes regional shipment, revenue, and installed-base data for personal monochrome laser MFPs; sizing of the toner cartridge market for these devices; vendor profiles; and trends in this market segment. [PRWEB Apr 13, 2005]

Multifunction and Photo Printing Are the
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Lyra report estimates worldwide ink jet
MFP shipments increased more than 50% in
2004


Multifunction and Photo Printing Are the
Name of the Game in 2004 Ink Jet Market;
Lyra report estimates worldwide ink jet
MFP shipments increased more than 50% in
2004
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The Hard Copy Observer Spotlight: 2004 Ink Jet Printer Market is the third of Lyra's three product-planning reports covering the printer market. The report provides strategic insight on and comprehensive coverage of the ink jet printer market, including how products and prices changed from January through December, current market trends, a review of the competitive landscape, and selected articles from The Hard Copy Observer. [PRWEB May 23, 2005]

Lyra Research’s Jim Forrest to Discuss
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Lyra Research’s Jim Forrest to Discuss
Ink & Toner Market Trends at Int'l ITC
Conference 2005: Forrest to Speak at
Breakfast of Champions and Industry
Experts Panel
06/06/2005 12:14 AM
Lyra Research will speak and exhibit at the International ITC conference in Miami, FL, from Wed., May 4, through Fri., May 6, 2005. Jim Forrest, managing editor of Lyra’s Hard Copy Supplies Journal, will speak at the Breakfast of Champions and Industry Experts Panel. Charles Brewer, who recently rejoined Lyra as The Hard Copy Supplies Journal’s senior editor, will be on hand to cover the show for the Journal. [PRWEB May 25, 2005]

From Printers to Printing: Free Lyra
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Webcast Examines how Consumers are
Making Smarter Choices to Meet Unique
Needs


From Printers to Printing: Free Lyra
Webcast Tracks Consumer Mind Shift -
Webcast Examines how Consumers are
Making Smarter Choices to Meet Unique
Needs
06/22/2005 02:53 AM
Lyra Research's next Webcast on Wednesday, June 22, at 2 p.m. EDT will explore changes in consumer attitudes toward home printing options. "The Mind Shift from Printers to Printing" is presented by Larry Jamieson, director of Lyra's Hard Copy Industry Advisory Service. The free Webcast has already drawn attention from key printer and supplies vendors and promises to provide insight and analysis of recent changes in the home printer market. Participants may register for the free Webcast at www.lyra.com. [PRWEB Jun 21, 2005]

A New Lyra Research Report Finds 'The
Year of the Color Laser' Has Finally
Arrived: Color Laser Printer Shipments
Increased a Dramatic 47 Percent Between
2003 and 2004


A New Lyra Research Report Finds 'The
Year of the Color Laser' Has Finally
Arrived: Color Laser Printer Shipments
Increased a Dramatic 47 Percent Between
2003 and 2004
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The Hard Copy Observer Spotlight: 2004 Color Laser Printer Market is the first of Lyra’s three product-planning reports covering the printer market. The report includes information on how products and prices changed from January through December, current market trends, a review of the competitive landscape, and selected articles from The Hard Copy Observer. [PRWEB Apr 6, 2005]

Rescheduled Free Webcast Kicks Off
Lyra’s New Hard Copy Observer Webcast
Series: Interactive Series Combines
Digital Imaging Breaking News with
Audience Q&A


Rescheduled Free Webcast Kicks Off
Lyra’s New Hard Copy Observer Webcast
Series: Interactive Series Combines
Digital Imaging Breaking News with
Audience Q&A
06/17/2005 04:23 PM
Lyra Research's next free Webcast has been rescheduled to Friday, June 17, at 2 p.m. EDT. The Webcast will include a discussion of the latest industry news and an audience question-and-answer session in an interactive Webcast format. Register at www.lyra.com. [PRWEB Jun 15, 2005]

Lyra Imaging Symposium Spotlights Office
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Speakers from HP, Laser Imaging,
Lasertone, Rhinotek, Static Control
Components, Teckn-O-Laser and Xerox


Lyra Imaging Symposium Spotlights Office
Printing Technology and Trends with
Speakers from HP, Laser Imaging,
Lasertone, Rhinotek, Static Control
Components, Teckn-O-Laser and Xerox
12/19/2004 03:45 PM
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Free Webcast Kicks off Lyra’s New Hard
Copy Observer Webcast Series: New
Interactive Webcast Series Combines
Digital Imaging Breaking News with
Audience Q&A


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Copy Observer Webcast Series: New
Interactive Webcast Series Combines
Digital Imaging Breaking News with
Audience Q&A
06/17/2005 04:24 PM
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Motorola DCT6400 Series STBs


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Time Warner, Comcast Get Adelphia,
Comcast Celebrates By Turning Off DNS


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Comcast Celebrates By Turning Off DNS
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Comcast Outages Prevent Comcast From
Commenting On Comcast Outages


Comcast Outages Prevent Comcast From
Commenting On Comcast Outages
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Last week, we noted that Comcast was having widespread outage problems, which they chalk ed up to "scheduled maintenance", even though no one was actually informed of said schedule ahead of time. It turns out that schedule is pretty crowded, because all week long, there have been continued reports of recurring outages all across the Comcast network. Comcast, of course, continues to be pretty much silent on the issue, leaving its increasingly fed up call center staff to deal with incredibly angry customers who feel they're getting no information at all. How hard is it to admit that they screwed up and they're working on fixing the problem? Instead of chalking it up to bogus scheduled maintenance or pretending there's nothing wrong, admit what the problem is and give people real updates. People would still be unhappy, but at least they'd feel like the company wasn't ignoring them. Of course, maybe they can't do that because Comcast staffers don't have any internet access either...

New Mobile Phone Forum Featuring
Discussion Forums, Brand Reviews, FAQs,
Service Providers Reviews


New Mobile Phone Forum Featuring
Discussion Forums, Brand Reviews, FAQs,
Service Providers Reviews
12/22/2004 01:50 AM
Mobile Phone Discussion Forum. Share your views and experience at forums. Discuss all about Mobile phone manufacturers and service providers. Checkout cell phone reviews, FAQs. [PRWEB Dec 20, 2004]

Microsoft Introduces Microsoft TV
Foundation Edition 1.7,One of the First
Software Platforms to Support Motorola
DCT6400 Series Set-Tops With Integrated
Dual-Tuner DVR and High-Definition
Functionality


Microsoft Introduces Microsoft TV
Foundation Edition 1.7,One of the First
Software Platforms to Support Motorola
DCT6400 Series Set-Tops With Integrated
Dual-Tuner DVR and High-Definition
Functionality
05/03/2004 03:16 PM
Today at The National Show, the National Cable & Telecommunications Association's (NCTA's) Annual Convention and International Exposition, Microsoft Corp. announced Microsoft® TV Foundation Edition 1.7, the latest update of its digital cable software platform and one of the first to support the Motorola DCT6412 set-top with integrated dual-tuner digital video recording (DVR) and high definition functionality. Microsoft TV Foundation 1.7 provides cable operators with a comprehensive and flexible solution to deploy, market and merchandize premium services such as video on demand (VOD) and high-definition television (HDTV), and provides some of the most advanced support for DVR available today, taking full advantage of the new dual-tuner capabilities of the Motorola DCT6400 advanced digital set-top platform. Microsoft TV Foundation Edition 1.7 will be on display at Microsoft Booth No. 2223.

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including US stores. record store
directory list stores list reviews
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Critical Update for Windows Media Player
(All Versions) for Windows 2000, Windows
XP, and Windows Server 2003 (KB828026)


Critical Update for Windows Media Player
(All Versions) for Windows 2000, Windows
XP, and Windows Server 2003 (KB828026)
02/11/2004 01:19 AM
When a content owner creates an audio or video stream, they can add script commands (such as URL script commands and custom script commands) to be encoded in the stream. When the stream is played back, the script commands can trigger events in an embedded player program, or they can open your browser and then navigate to a Web page. This behavior is by design

Windows Media Player (All Versions) for
Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Windows
Server 2003 (KB832353)


Windows Media Player (All Versions) for
Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Windows
Server 2003 (KB832353)
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After applying the Update for Windows Media Player Script Commands (KB828026), some URL script commands do not fire even though they would be expected to do so. In addition to the URL script command issues, this package addresses an issue with the installer that would cause 100% CPU utilization in certain scenarios.

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News : Feature Myths Over Miami,Captured
on South Beach, Satan later escaped. His
demons and the horrible Bloody Mary are
now killing people. God has fled.
Avenging angels hide out in the
Everglades. And other tales from
children in Dade's homeless shelters.,By
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connection for events, event listings,
music reviews, CD reviews, and all of
the latest alternative news from the
Miami area.


Miami New Times | miaminewtimes.com |
News : Feature Myths Over Miami,Captured
on South Beach, Satan later escaped. His
demons and the horrible Bloody Mary are
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NTSC-J, PAL, and SECAM TV Tuner Hotfix
for DirectX 9.0b on Windows 2000,
Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003
(KB825116)


NTSC-J, PAL, and SECAM TV Tuner Hotfix
for DirectX 9.0b on Windows 2000,
Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003
(KB825116)
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DirectX 9.0b was released on 7/23/03 to address the MIDI security issue identified in bulletin MS03-030. A small number of non-security fixes were also included in the release. One of these fixes caused several TV Tuner capture card/driver combinations using video formats other than NTSC (NTSC-J, PAL, SECAM) to no longer initialize correctly on Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003. Symptoms include loss of capture functionality and potential inability to set/retain device capture settings. This hotfix, documented further in Knowledge Base article 825116, has been issued to correct the flaw. 11-04-03 update: The English hotfix package has been modified to allow patching of all language installations supported by the affected Operating Systems.

Actual Windows Manager v. 2.6 Turns the
Classic Windows Formula Upside-Down and
Offers a Much Better Way of Working with
Windows


Actual Windows Manager v. 2.6 Turns the
Classic Windows Formula Upside-Down and
Offers a Much Better Way of Working with
Windows
05/31/2004 02:00 PM
Actual Tools announced today the release of version 2.6 of Actual Windows Manager, a revolutionary windows enhancement application for Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP. The program dramatically expands Windows functionality and introduces a new window control system, more native to human perception. Actual Tools team of software developers and cognitive analysts tried to bring to life the alternative desktop organization and control concept with the ultimate goal of creating a truly anthropocentric computer environment. [PRWEB May 26, 2004]

Comcast Still Thinking Big


Comcast Still Thinking Big 04/28/2004 04:10 PM
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How Comcast Let the Mouse Get Away


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Bray on Comcast


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