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Bet the company, Dave -- It's your last, best hope







Bet the company, Dave -- It's your last,
best hope

Bet the company, Dave -- It's your last,
best hope
05/03/2004 09:22 AM

AT&T CEO Dave Dorman -- for my money, one of the two best CEOs in telecom -- tells the Bos ton Globe what he thinks about VOIP:

"I often wonder if AT&T had gotten out of the blocks sooner with WorldNet, how many dial-up Internet subscribers could we have had? Part of that was a lack of recognition on the part of AT&T management at the time - not to be too critical - about how big this was going to be.  I don't suffer from any of those things with respect to voice over IP. I think it's going to be huge. I think it's going to be pervasive. We are going to be leaders here."




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After the weblogs.com hosting debacle< /a> surfaced yet again by people trying to reignite the flames, I decided to try to discuss it again with David Weinberger, whose comments in the middle of the flamefest are widely cited as evidence of how I didn't do all I should have done to notify people with blogs on weblogs.com. I know David to be a thoughtful, careful and considerate person. And to this day well-intentioned people question my integrity over these events. That's not cool for a person such as myself who values his integrity.

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I should add that I don't really have much of an opinion about the whole Typekey thing at the moment. Certainly we need something to deal with comment-spam, certainly a centralised service will help with that and make things easier, yes I'd rather have an open standard or set of protocols that allow completely decentralised system if I could think of any way it could be done (but offhand I can't).

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A picture named
cantersmall.jpgI was pretty sure Marc Canter would understand yesterday's post about sponsors, speakers, panels and audiences. And he explains, eloquently and diplomatically, why he agrees. "There's no way I'm getting on a plane to listen to Clay again unless we can discuss in public his issues." Exactly. You assemble this fantastic group of really smart people, and tell them they can't discuss. What a waste. Much better to put the minds to use. And all because a few lazy people don't want to be challenged. I hope the promoters of Supernova and Web 2.0 use the ideas outlined in the Howto< /A> for BloggerCon II. Ask people who were there, it really works, you just have to believe that you've got the smartest and best people coming to your conference, and then recruit reporters and professors to lead discussions. More here. [Scripting News]

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I'd bet people would pay just to listen.

Dave Winer and I did a debate at Stewart Alsop's Agenda conference - back in, oh it must have '87 or '88.  The subject was "should Hypercard be bunded with the system software of the Macintosh?"  It was fun.

Folks could vote from their seats with little hand held controllers, oh maybe? - no that was the year of the cheer meter - gauged on volume.  Regardless of the technology, I mean come on - we gotta use the HeckleBot somehow!

So how 'bout a little creativity here - huh?


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Dave Winer asks...... 08/02/2004 01:29 PM

Dave Winer just posted a comment and asked.....

I don't get it -- why don't you use Radio?

What exactly was unreliable about it?

Maybe I can help figure out how to get it reliable.

Paolo was running his own RCS, right?

Anyway, I'm glad a Radio user finally had the confidence to tell the other guys that they haven't even caught up with UserLand's low-end product yet. Hold them to it. Let's get a real baseline for competition here.

Marc's reply......

First of all Congrats on the Convention - totally amazing to see how far blogging has come since you first floated the idea to me - back in 1995.

Personal publishing sure has come a long way - but we're not done yet. The idea of a client based personal server is something I can credit you for being the first person to come up with that idea. The issues surrounding that kind of product have been revealed because of Radio - and we all you a debt of gratitude for that one - too!

So I actually felt that Radio represented a lot more than just a 'blogging tool'. I worked with Mikel Maron on his MyRadio project and lauded Social DynamX's FMRadioStation. We even planned to do a product called Sweet Suite - which would also have complemented Radio.

But dude - you folks fell behind. I guess that doesn't mean you anymore - but being the largest shareholder does keep your teeth in the game. You question certainly shows that you're still concerned with the product's status and view - from the public POV.

So I can speak for many of us who left Radio in the past year - we loved that product, it changed our lives - but as new features, functionality and flexiblity came onto the market - Radio was incresingly keeping us behind.

Take the comment you left me.

I got an email of it, asking me to approve it - via 6A's TypeKey system. That rocks.

There are plenty of things that Radio still leads the market with - and that was the core of my post. But there were also lots of reasons to stop using Radio.

Stability was probably the biggest issue for me. After 5 or 6 total crashes, some of them my fauilt, others Radio instability - I just gave up. Also the feeling that all development on Radio had stopped - was a disappointment.

I always felt that you didn't charge enough for Radio, that if you had kept EditThispage going as a service and morphed it like Pyra did - the world would be a different place today.

And there was a whole "blogging support" play there - that never was taken advantage of......

Yes - Paolo runs his own RCS - and he's your biggest supporter and develoiper - BTW. And we're just getting started.

But for some reason - my mind flows to new kinds of micro-content, namespaces and decoupling schemas from the subscription protocol.

Isn't there a way I can talk you into getting back involved in moving these standards FORWARD?

Instead of worrying about the width of the threads on the pipe, can't we focus on the structured shit that goes through the pipes?

As I said before - I REALLY think that we can setup open standards for NEW kinds of micro-content. Here they are - and some of the people who should be involve don a domain specific basis. But DUDE - you know me and you and Sifry and Jon Udell should drive the overall architecture of all this. We NEED you! Here are the new kind sof micro-content I'm talking about:

Now not all these folks have signed up yet - but DUUUUUUUUUUUDE - we need you!


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I really don't care about the Democratic Convention (though I did in 1968) and I'm not really into following what bloggers do in general (unless it's about social networking or media as well) - but did I tell you how proud I am of Dave Winer and the other Convention Bloggers?

Go dudes and dudesses - go.


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