U.S. Marines, Iraqis agree to create army for Fallujah (USATODAY.com)

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Cease-fire in Fallujah frustrates some
Marines (USATODAY.com)

Cease-fire in Fallujah frustrates some
Marines (USATODAY.com) 04/19/2004 05:52 AM
USATODAY.com - U.S. military commanders, frustrated by a weeklong truce and talks aimed at ending hostilities in Fallujah, say the pause in offensive operations is giving insurgents a chance to reorganize and rearm, military officers say.

2 Marines Killed in Fallujah Car Bombing
(AP)

2 Marines Killed in Fallujah Car Bombing
(AP) 06/24/2005 03:16 PM
AP - A suicide car bomber slammed into a U.S. convoy in Fallujah, killing two Marines, a Pentagon spokesman said Friday. Four other troops were listed as missing after the attack, pending positive identification, leaving open the possibility that they may also be dead.

U.S. Marines Clearing Fallujah
Roadblocks (AP)

U.S. Marines Clearing Fallujah
Roadblocks (AP) 04/30/2004 04:27 PM

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Marines expect all-out fight for
Fallujah

Marines expect all-out fight for
Fallujah 04/13/2004 03:40 PM

Marines kill 20 insurgents in Fallujah

Marines kill 20 insurgents in Fallujah 04/21/2004 03:47 PM

7 Marines Killed in Blast Near Fallujah
(washingtonpost.com)

7 Marines Killed in Blast Near Fallujah
(washingtonpost.com) 09/06/2004 09:59 PM
washingtonpost.com - BAGHDAD, Sept. 6 -- Seven U.S. Marines were killed on Monday in an apparent suicide attack when a car bomb exploded near their military convoy on the outskirts of Fallujah, the U.S. military reported. The attack, which also killed three Iraqi National Guardsmen, was the deadliest against U.S. troops in four months.

Marines Urge Weapons Handover in
Fallujah (AP)

Marines Urge Weapons Handover in
Fallujah (AP) 04/22/2004 08:04 PM
AP - U.S. Marines warned guerrillas in this violence-wracked city Thursday that they have only days to hand over their heavy weapons or face a possible American attack. So far the insurgents have turned in mainly dud rockets, rusty mortar shells and grenades labeled "inert."

Marines Start Fallujah Withdrawal
(washingtonpost.com)

Marines Start Fallujah Withdrawal
(washingtonpost.com) 04/30/2004 09:45 PM
washingtonpost.com - FALLUJAH, Iraq, April 30 -- U.S. Marines began withdrawing from this volatile city Friday, taking up positions a few miles away as commanders began to hand over responsibility for pursuing insurgents to a new Iraqi brigade led by former officers who served in Saddam Hussein's military.

Marines Plan Handoff To Militia in
Fallujah (washingtonpost.com)

Marines Plan Handoff To Militia in
Fallujah (washingtonpost.com) 04/29/2004 09:58 PM
washingtonpost.com - FALLUJAH, Iraq, April 29 -- U.S. Marines will withdraw from this violence-wracked city and hand over responsibility for pursuing insurgents to a new militia headed by former Iraqi army officers under a deal brokered by the top Marine general in Iraq, military officials here said Thursday. In Washington, senior Pentagon officials insisted a final agreement had not yet been reached, but Marine commanders here said they had received orders to prepare for a pullout that would begin Friday.

Yahoo! News - Car Bomb Near Fallujah
Kills 7 Marines

Yahoo! News - Car Bomb Near Fallujah
Kills 7 Marines 09/07/2004 12:17 PM
Yahoo! News - Car Bomb Near Fallujah Kills 7 Marines .. oy

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Anti-U.S. Uprising Widens in Iraq;
Marines Push Deeper Into Fallujah
(washingtonpost.com)

Anti-U.S. Uprising Widens in Iraq;
Marines Push Deeper Into Fallujah
(washingtonpost.com) 04/09/2004 04:00 PM
washingtonpost.com - BAGHDAD, April 7 -- Violent resistance to the American occupation of Iraq spread to new parts of the country on Wednesday, including previously quiet parts of Baghdad, as U.S. and allied forces struggled to quell separate uprisings by Sunni and Shiite Muslim insurgents.

"U.S. Marines Kill Two Iraqis in Ramadi"

"U.S. Marines Kill Two Iraqis in Ramadi" 07/11/2004 03:25 PM

Germans in Dresden and Marfa, Texas;
Iraqis in Fallujah

Germans in Dresden and Marfa, Texas;
Iraqis in Fallujah 04/11/2004 01:45 AM

The charms of the installation art exhibits in Marfa, Texas are often lost on Americans but the place is very popular with German tourists.  My favorite new experience in Marfa was a dark room filled with blue LEDs hung from wires (photo doesn't really do it justice due to massive overexposure compared to the darkness you feel with just your eyes) by Erwin Redl.  Shortly before our little group was enjoying the high desert scenery and trying to understand the art, the Associated Press reported that "In a scene reminiscent of Somalia, frenzied [Iraqi] crowds dragged the burned, mutilated bodies of four American contractors through the streets of a town west of Baghdad on Wednesday and strung two of them up from a bridge" (source ).

A German couple talked about how they'd met some retired U.S. Air Force pilots in California.  "They were lied to," the wife noted.  "They were just 19-year-olds and nobody told them they would be bombing civilians.  Otherwise they would never have bombed German cities."  The implication was that bombing civilians was so clearly immoral that nobody would do it knowingly.  Certainly the results of the bombing were terribly painful for Germans:

"The total bomb tonnage for the Second World War dropped by both the RAF and the 8th and 15th Air Forces in Europe on Germany totalled 1,234,767 tons of bombs more than 60 percent of which were dropped between July 1944 and April 1945. The Allied aerial onslaught killed no fewer than 305,000 German factory workers or area residents in targeted cities. It wounded about 780,000 other persons, made 1,865,000 people refugees, compelled the removal of another 4,885,000 additional persons, and cut off 20,000,000 people from their public utilities. By the third quarter of l944, coping with the aftermath of the Allied air strikes tied down an estimated four and one-half million workers, about 20 percent of the non-farm labor force, in cleaning and rebuilding operations." (source)

Equally certain is the fact that for every German civilian killed or inconvenienced by bombing there was a statistical chance that an Allied soldier's life would be spared.  The German death camp system for Jews was also impaired in efficiency and brought to an earlier end by the Allied bombing of German civilians.  Apparently there is a large school of thought within Germany at least that saving the lives of Allied solders and Jews did not justify killing German civilians randomly in hopes of striking those who were useful to the war effort and/or death camp system.

1940s summary:  We were at war with the German and Japanese governments and we killed many civilians who did not support those governments and with whom we had no quarrel.

What about today?  I have not been following events in Iraq very closely but I seem to recall American officials saying that it is tough to prevail against our enemies there because we can't find them.  They hide amongst the general population and only come out at night in small bands.  Yet last week in Fallujah a huge group of people who apparently hate Americans and are prone to expressing that hatred violently exposed themselves in broad daylight, right in the open.  What better opportunity for rolling out the helicopter gunships?  Apparently the military commanders in Iraq did not think so because they didn't bother to attack any of the rioters.

Modern summary:  We are at war with subsets of the civilian population in various countries around the world but we are only willing to attack governments.It is tough to see a path to victory via this strategy because we're actually at peace with the governments of France, Germany, et al., and in many cases close personal friends with the owners of countries such as Saudi Arabia, Yemen, et al.  We can only occasionally find a government or country owner that we don't like, e.g., the Taliban in Afghanistan or Saddam in Iraq.  Our military is able to dispose of said government or dictator very quickly but with victory we become the new government in that corner of the world.  And then we discover that it was not the former dictator trying to kill us but rather a subset of the civilians in that country.

Iraqis raise flag at Fallujah; two more
U.S. soldiers killed

Iraqis raise flag at Fallujah; two more
U.S. soldiers killed 04/30/2004 04:25 PM

Marines Said to Kill 25 Iraqis in
Clashes in Ramadi

Marines Said to Kill 25 Iraqis in
Clashes in Ramadi 07/22/2004 06:05 AM
U.S. Marines killed 25 insurgents and captured 25 others in several hours of fierce fighting on Wednesday, the military said.

Iraqis agree on new constitution

Iraqis agree on new constitution 03/08/2004 11:23 PM
An interim constitution for Iraq is signed in Baghdad - but a leading Shia cleric renews his criticism.

7 U.S. Marines and 3 Iraqis Are Killed
in a Car Bomb Attack Outside Falluja

7 U.S. Marines and 3 Iraqis Are Killed
in a Car Bomb Attack Outside Falluja 09/06/2004 08:01 PM
Elsewhere, Al Jazeera reported that a militant group holding two French hostages had demanded a ransom of $5 million.

Bremer Says Iraqis Not Ready to Secure
Country; 5 Marines Killed

Bremer Says Iraqis Not Ready to Secure
Country; 5 Marines Killed 04/18/2004 03:03 PM
The U.S. administrator stressed that U.S.-led armies were needed in the country after the handover of sovereignty on June 30.

U.S. Marines See Falluja Brigade in New
Iraq Army

U.S. Marines See Falluja Brigade in New
Iraq Army 05/30/2004 04:12 PM
Reuters via Wired News May 30 2004 7:44PM GMT

Fresh Insurgent Violence Kills 4
Marines, 14 Iraqis (Los Angeles Times)

Fresh Insurgent Violence Kills 4
Marines, 14 Iraqis (Los Angeles Times) 07/07/2004 04:55 AM
Los Angeles Times - BAGHDAD — Insurgent violence flared in Iraq on Tuesday after more than a week of relative calm, killing four U.S. Marines in the west, a city official in Baghdad and at least 13 mourners at the funeral for an assassination victim in the volatile region north of the capital.

Fallujah Brigade tries U.S. patience
(USATODAY.com)

Fallujah Brigade tries U.S. patience
(USATODAY.com) 06/14/2004 06:55 AM
USATODAY.com - A top Marine officer here says the compromise that gave control of Fallujah to an Iraqi brigade in exchange for the withdrawal of Marines may be a failure.

Army Says C.I.A. Hid More Iraqis Than It
Claimed

Army Says C.I.A. Hid More Iraqis Than It
Claimed 09/09/2004 10:15 PM
Army jailers in Iraq kept dozens of detainees off official rosters to hide them from Red Cross inspectors.

The Army finally admits it: U.S tortured
Iraqis

The Army finally admits it: U.S tortured
Iraqis 08/27/2004 01:22 PM
The Army is trying to come to grips with what it did during what the Pentagon still insists on calling "Operation Iraqi Freedom", although it has a long ways to go. As General Fay is reported to have said at the Pentagon"There were a few instances when torture was being used." Now that the Army has finally admitted it, how long will it take our political leadership to admit it? I started reading the Fay/ Jones report (PDF) itself. In that tortured Army prose, I found the beginnings of the acceptance of responsibility: Abuse Clearly abuses occurred at the prison at Abu Ghraib. There is no single, simple explanation for why this abuse at Abu Ghraib happened. The primary causes are misconduct (ranging from inhumane to sadistic) by a small group of morally corrupt soldiers and civilians, a lack of discipline on the part of the leaders and Soldiers of the 205th MI BDE and a failure or lack of leadership by multiple echelons within CJTF-7.... The abuses at Abu Ghraib primarily fall into two categories: a) intentional violent or sexual abuse and, b) abusive actions taken based on misinterpretations or confusion regarding law or policy. LTG Jones found that while senior level officers did not commit the abuse at Abu Ghraib they did bear responsibility for lack of oversight of the facility, failing to respond in a timely manner to the reports from the International Committee of the Red Cross and for issuing policy memos that failed to provide clear, consistent guidance for execution at the tactical level. While taking some responsibility, the Army also took a few potshots at the CIA: The appointing authority and investigating officers made a specific finding regarding the issue of "ghost detainees" within Abu Ghraib. It is clear that the interrogation practices of other government agencies led to a loss of accountability at Abu Ghraib. DoD must document and enforce adherence by other government agencies with established DoD practices and procedures while conducting detainee interrogation operations at DoD facilities. This matter requires further investigation and, in accordance with the provisions of AR 381-10, Part 15, is being referred to the DoD Inspector General, as the DoD liaison with other government agencies for appropriate investigation and evaluation. Soldiers/Sailors/Airmen/Marines should never be put in a position that potentially puts them at risk for non-compliance with the Geneva Convention or Laws of Land Warfare. The report...

Car Bomb in Hilla Kills 17 Iraqis -U.S.
Army

Car Bomb in Hilla Kills 17 Iraqis -U.S.
Army 06/26/2004 04:03 PM
Reuters via Wired News Jun 26 2004 7:39PM GMT

Mortar Kills Four Iraqis Waiting to Join
New Army

Mortar Kills Four Iraqis Waiting to Join
New Army 05/15/2004 09:50 AM
Reuters via Wired News May 15 2004 2:11PM GMT

Car Bomb in Hilla Kills 17 Iraqis -U.S.
Army (Reuters)

Car Bomb in Hilla Kills 17 Iraqis -U.S.
Army (Reuters) 06/26/2004 02:38 PM
Reuters - A bomb exploded in the Iraqi town of Hilla on Saturday, killing 17 Iraqi civilians and wounding around 40, the U.S. military said.

U.S. Says Iraqis Free to Rehire Saddam
Army Members

U.S. Says Iraqis Free to Rehire Saddam
Army Members 06/27/2004 04:18 PM
Reuters via Wired News Jun 27 2004 7:44PM GMT

Iraqis want more than what they'll get
June 30 (USATODAY.com)

Iraqis want more than what they'll get
June 30 (USATODAY.com) 06/02/2004 05:30 AM
USATODAY.com - Muhsen Meschel sits in the shade of a concrete bridge and drinks hot tea, unable to work and reluctant to go home.

Poll: Iraqis out of patience
(USATODAY.com)

Poll: Iraqis out of patience
(USATODAY.com) 04/29/2004 06:22 AM
USATODAY.com - Only a third of the Iraqi people now believe that the American-led occupation of their country is doing more good than harm, and a solid majority support an immediate military pullout even though they fear that could put them in greater danger, according to a new USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll. (Graphic: Iraqis surveyed)

Iraqis say 40 killed at wedding
(USATODAY.com)

Iraqis say 40 killed at wedding
(USATODAY.com) 05/20/2004 07:18 AM
USATODAY.com - Forty people were killed Wednesday in a U.S. attack on a house that the Army says was a hideout for foreign fighters but that Iraqis said was the site of a wedding celebration.

USATODAY.com - Poll: Iraqis out of
patience

USATODAY.com - Poll: Iraqis out of
patience 04/29/2004 12:11 PM
POLL: IRAQIS OUT OF PATIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .. comprehensive opinion poll in Iraq .. get the Hell out .. USA TODAY

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USATODAY.com - Iraqis enjoy new freedom
of expression on Web journals

USATODAY.com - Iraqis enjoy new freedom
of expression on Web journals 04/21/2004 09:13 PM

USATODAY.com - Scientists create a virus
that reproduces

USATODAY.com - Scientists create a virus
that reproduces 11/16/2003 10:28 AM

Army extends duty for soldiers
(USATODAY.com)

Army extends duty for soldiers
(USATODAY.com) 06/03/2004 06:41 AM
USATODAY.com - In the latest sign of the growing strains on thinly stretched U.S. armed forces, the Army has issued orders to block tens of thousands of soldiers heading to Iraq and Afghanistan from leaving the military or transferring to other units, the Pentagon said Wednesday.

Army works to increase enlistees
(USATODAY.com)

Army works to increase enlistees
(USATODAY.com) 08/05/2004 10:29 AM
USATODAY.com - The Army is dramatically increasing cash bonuses for enlistees and preparing to put hundreds of new recruiters on the streets in anticipation that it will have an increasingly tough time finding recruits in coming months.

U.S. Army re-examines deaths of Iraqi
prisoners (USATODAY.com)

U.S. Army re-examines deaths of Iraqi
prisoners (USATODAY.com) 06/28/2004 06:43 AM
USATODAY.com - The U.S. Army's inspector general and criminal division are investigating whether U.S. troops deliberately or negligently exposed Iraqi prisoners to extreme heat and cold in ways that contributed to deaths that have until now been attributed to natural or unknown causes.

Video: U.S. Marines execute an Iraqi to
the cheers of fellow marines

Video: U.S. Marines execute an Iraqi to
the cheers of fellow marines 12/12/2003 05:38 AM
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Soldier sisters choose not to rejoin
Army units in Iraq (USATODAY.com)

Soldier sisters choose not to rejoin
Army units in Iraq (USATODAY.com) 04/28/2004 07:17 AM
USATODAY.com - The two Wisconsin sisters of a female soldier killed this month in Baghdad said Tuesday that they will not rejoin their Army National Guard units in Iraq.

Army division sees its Iraq tour
extended and its casualties rise
(USATODAY.com)

Army division sees its Iraq tour
extended and its casualties rise
(USATODAY.com) 06/16/2004 05:26 AM
USATODAY.com - Pfc. Ricky Bolding, 19, puts down his crutches and rolls up his pants, revealing large bandages on his calf and foot. Shrapnel is still in there, he says, and more chunks are lodged in his buttocks and back.
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