Apple And Real -- A Few Thoughts

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Real anti-Apple poll swamped by
pro-Apple posters

Real anti-Apple poll swamped by
pro-Apple posters 08/18/2004 04:55 AM
So message board gets pulled

Apple Won't Get Real

Apple Won't Get Real 04/16/2004 12:52 PM
Apple snubs an overture from RealNetworks to partner up. Bad idea.

Apple Vs. Real

Apple Vs. Real 07/30/2004 02:05 PM
You can patent something new based on something patented. You can build a better mousetrap -- you can't patent the idea of a mousetrap. Yet that is just what Apple is proposing to do. By Dana Blankenhorn (via MyAppleMenu)

Real vs Apple

Real vs Apple 08/18/2004 08:29 AM
RealNetworks have upped the stakes in the growing war between itself and Apple. The launch of the Freedom of Music Choice website (complete with a logo featuring the iPod as a padlock) pulls no punches, and directly attacks Apple’s refusal to open up it’s FairPlay DRM used on the iPod.

It’s not enough to denounce crime and lock up criminals, say the social scientists. We must consider the root causes of crime. Which brings us to Apple Computer Inc., which is encouraging people to steal digital music files, and undermining its own success to boot.

This vitriol follows the trading of blows last week over Real’s Harmony technology — a crude hack which allows songs purchased from the Real Music Store to be played on an iPod. Apple’s response was predictably angry and swift :

We strongly caution Real and their customers that when we update our iPod software from time to time it is highly likely that Real’s Harmony technology will cease to work with current and future iPods.

It seems obvious to me that Real have lost considerable market share since the success of iTunes Music Store and the iPod, and are playing their last card — portraying itself as the ‘voice of the public’ and ‘champion of free choice’. You could understand this if were actually true — but it’s 100% PR bullshit, and only serves to make them look increasingly desperate. The fact is Apple make far superior software and offer a far superior experience to Real. That is why people are choosing Apple over Real, no other reason. More reading :

• CNN : Apple — RealNetworks hacked iPod
• vnunet : Real slams Apple’s iPod ‘hacker’ attempt
• Macworld : Real declares war, calls it freedom
• Macworld : RealNetworks versus Apple. War report

Who Is Real Actually Helping: Us,
Themselves, Or Apple?

Who Is Real Actually Helping: Us,
Themselves, Or Apple? 08/19/2004 11:52 AM
Real, through this promotion, may have shot itself in the foot... and in the long term helped Apple. By Henry Dee, iPod Garage (via MyAppleMenu)

Apple & Real disharmony

Apple & Real disharmony 07/29/2004 09:57 PM
Following Real Network's announcement of Harmony, which allows music in other formats to be played on an iPod, Apple issued the following statement:

We are stunned that RealNetworks has adopted the tactics and ethics of a hacker to break into the iPod(R), and we are investigating the implications of their actions under the DMCA and other laws. We strongly caution Real and their customers that when we update our iPod software from time to time it is highly likely that Real's Harmony technology will cease to work with current and future iPods.

Apple to Real: Stick It

Apple to Real: Stick It 04/16/2004 04:51 AM
Apple's Steve Jobs will take Real Networks' olive branch, snap it across his knee and whack Rob Glaser over the head with it. Read Leander Kahney's take on today's big Apple story in our Cult of Mac blog.

Apple Comments on Real

Apple Comments on Real 07/29/2004 10:14 AM
Apple has issued a statement in response to the Real announcement that they would be offering reverse-engineered iPod-compatible songs. Apple states:...

Apple Gets Real Serious About Harmony.

Apple Gets Real Serious About Harmony. 07/29/2004 10:29 PM
Ernest Miller: Apple Gets Real Serious About Harmony. (Warning: extreme information density.)

Apple Threatens Real

Apple Threatens Real 07/29/2004 06:29 PM
Since when is reverse engineering unethical? Oh right -- since the DMCA... Let me remind you that Real was one of the first companies to sue the creator of an interoperating product under the DMCA, so it's not as if they're the innocent defenders of innovation here. By Derek Slater (via MyAppleMenu)

Other News: Apple vs. Real

Other News: Apple vs. Real 04/29/2004 09:17 AM
Jobs and Glaser trade public shots at each other.

Real takes aim at Apple

Real takes aim at Apple 08/17/2004 05:38 PM
RealNetworks makes its music pitch with a half-price sale and the release of Harmony software. Also: Rob Glaser wants to play along with Apple.

Real and Apple Battle On

Real and Apple Battle On 08/17/2004 01:09 PM

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Real Networks has undercut Apple by slashing their music downloads to 49 cents a song. In comparison to Apple’s 99 cents a song, it is a big drop in price. After Real Networks said a few weeks ago that they have found a way for their songs to be played on Apple’s IPod, Steve Jobs can not be a happy camper right now….

Apple Not Too Harmonious with Real

Apple Not Too Harmonious with Real 07/29/2004 01:46 PM

The Importance Of ... Law and IT: Apple
v. Real v. Microsoft

The Importance Of ... Law and IT: Apple
v. Real v. Microsoft 09/03/2004 12:59 AM
Corante Sep 3 2004 4:45AM GMT

Other News: Real-Apple Alliance?

Other News: Real-Apple Alliance? 04/15/2004 09:00 AM
RealNetworks' Rob Glaser wields carrot and stick in an email to Steve Jobs.

Real Begs Apple for Alliance

Real Begs Apple for Alliance 04/15/2004 11:40 AM

Apple going with Intel... for Real?
[Update x2]

Apple going with Intel... for Real?
[Update x2] 06/05/2005 11:31 PM
CNet is reporting that Apple plans on scrapping its partnership with IBM and switching to Intel processors. Apple has used IBM's PowerPC processors si...

Real Bites Apple on Downloads

Real Bites Apple on Downloads 08/17/2004 05:45 AM
RealNetworks is selling half-price downloads in its music store -- and they play on the iPod, much to Apple's dismay. Real says digital-music fans should not be locked in to a particular device. By Katie Dean.

Other News: Apple-Real Legal

Other News: Apple-Real Legal 08/02/2004 10:11 AM
Cnet examines Apple's accusation that RealNetworks violated the DMCA.

REAL Apple Script updates to 1.0.2

REAL Apple Script updates to 1.0.2 05/28/2004 03:20 PM
REALBasic plug is a Carbon PlugIn that allows you to compile and run apple scripts on the fly. Although compiled apple scripts can be run from REALBasic you can't compile and run a script on the fly till now. Version 1.0.2 adds the ability to compile a script to be saved or run later, adds the ability to run a pre-compiled or saved script including scripts saved as 'Run Only' from Apple's Script Editor, and scripts now allways return their results.

Other News: Real, Apple and Godzilla

Other News: Real, Apple and Godzilla 07/30/2004 10:08 AM
A BBC column compares Godzilla movies with Apple and RealNetworks.

Other News: Real-Apple Lessons

Other News: Real-Apple Lessons 08/13/2004 10:48 AM
Duke Law School professor James Boyle looks at the Real-Apple feud in the context of changing laws.

Apple blasts Real DRM translator

Apple blasts Real DRM translator 07/29/2004 11:38 AM
Investigating Harmony's 'legal implications'

Other News: Cooper on Apple-Real

Other News: Cooper on Apple-Real 08/06/2004 11:37 AM
Charles Cooper offers commentary on the war between Steve Jobs and Real's Rob Glaser.

Apple, Real and 'best interests'

Apple, Real and 'best interests' 08/06/2004 10:01 PM

Are Real And Apple Playing Fair?

Are Real And Apple Playing Fair? 07/30/2004 02:05 PM
In this case, I feel like I am watching Rodin and Mechagodzilla monsters battle over who can do the most damage to Tokyo, with no good monster in sight to protect us all. By Bill Thompson, BBC News (via MyAppleMenu)

Real Tempts Apple iTunes Users

Real Tempts Apple iTunes Users 08/17/2004 11:47 AM
CBS News Aug 17 2004 3:43PM GMT

Apple is pissed that Real has hacked
their format

Apple is pissed that Real has hacked
their format 07/30/2004 03:44 AM

I buy my music tunes where I see fit and am very happy that RealNetworks is putting the screws to iTunes and now the technical not inclined can buy from two sources. [Information Week]

Mac Night Owl talks Apple and Real,
Motorola, more

Mac Night Owl talks Apple and Real,
Motorola, more 08/06/2004 06:50 PM
Gene Steinberg's "The Mac Night Owl" radio show features MacCentral and Macworld.com online editor Jim Dalrymple, who will talk about the dispute between Apple and RealNetworks Inc. over RealNetworks' Harmony technology, which makes it possible for RealPlayer Music Store users to play their music on iPods. Also scheduled is Alberto Moriondo, Motorola's Worldwide Director, Content and Applications, who will talk about his company's recent partnership with Apple to bring iTunes to cell phones. Joe Kissel, author of "Take Control of Email with Apple Mail," will also be on hand. You can tune in live from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM Pacific Time, 9:00 to 11:00 Eastern. An archive of the show will be posted within eight hours of the webcast.

Real fires back at Apple in DRM dogfight

Real fires back at Apple in DRM dogfight 07/30/2004 06:56 AM
Company is 'Compaq' to Apple's 'IBM'

Real Networks 'seeks alliance' with
Apple

Real Networks 'seeks alliance' with
Apple 04/15/2004 06:33 AM
Gang up with us on MS - or we'll gang up on you

Apple and Real conflict over music
downloads and players

Apple and Real conflict over music
downloads and players 08/07/2004 11:52 AM

Apple and Real Networks are feuding over access to Apple's popular iPod music player. Real released Harmony , an application which allows users to play music downloaded from Real's online music store in, among other players, the iPod. The iPod is designed to play music downloaded from iTunes , its popular online music store , and especially those encoded with Apple's Advanced Audio Codec ( AAC ) standard. Apple attacked the move, and threatened a programming reaction:

"We are stunned that RealNetworks has adopted the tactics and ethics of a hacker Latest News about hacker to break into the iPod, and we are investigating the implications of their actions under the DMCA [Digital Millenium Copyright Act] and other laws. We strongly caution Real and their customers that when we update our iPod software from time to time, it is highly likely that Real's Harmony technology will cease to work with current and future iPods."

Real, whose CEO had asked Apple to open the iPod to other file formats earlier this year , reiterated its request.

(thanks to Louise Watson )

Report: Real seeks musical duet with
Apple

Report: Real seeks musical duet with
Apple 04/15/2004 07:49 AM
RealNetworks Inc. Chairman and Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Rob Glaser has urged Apple Computer Inc.'s CEO Steve Jobs to partner its digital music businesses against rival Microsoft Corp., according to a report published Thursday in The New York Times online edition.

Jobs, Apple shareholders talk
marketshare, Real, more

Jobs, Apple shareholders talk
marketshare, Real, more 04/22/2004 04:12 PM
Apple Computer Inc. on Thursday held its annual shareholders meeting at the company's Cupertino, Calif. headquarters, which saw the nominees for the Board of Directors pass by a huge margin. Apple CEO Steve Jobs and members of the Executive Committee answered questions for almost 45 minutes ranging from overall company strategy to its plans on expanding its overall marketshare.

Real Networks 'seeks alliance' with
Apple | The Register

Real Networks 'seeks alliance' with
Apple | The Register 04/17/2004 11:27 AM
Real Networks asked Apple to partner with them

theregister.co.uk/2004/04/15/real_apple
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Apple lashes Real Networks' music move

Apple lashes Real Networks' music move 07/30/2004 12:02 AM
USA Today Jul 30 2004 3:03AM GMT

Jobs, Apple shareholders talk
marketshare, Real, more (MacCentral)

Jobs, Apple shareholders talk
marketshare, Real, more (MacCentral) 04/22/2004 04:04 PM
MacCentral - Apple Computer Inc. on Thursday held its annual shareholders meeting at the company's Cupertino, Calif. headquarters, which saw the nominees for the Board of Directors pass by a huge margin. Apple CEO Steve Jobs and members of the Executive Committee answered questions for almost 45 minutes ranging from overall company strategy to its plans on expanding its overall marketshare.

Real's Hijack Of FairPlay? No Big Deal
To Apple, Real, And Their Customers

Real's Hijack Of FairPlay? No Big Deal
To Apple, Real, And Their Customers 08/19/2004 11:52 AM
As I like to remind my dear readers, here in Singapore, we don't even have photo prints and photo books in iPhoto yet, so, naturally, we can't participate in the grand shopping experience of either iTunes Music Store nor Real's Rhapsody store. I don't even own an iPod or any MP3 players (except my computers, of course). So, obviously, the latest issues surrounding Real's reverse engineering of FairPlay doesn't concern me. :-)
No, seriously. I believe it's not a big deal as many has made out to be.
Let's do one pretend exercise. Let's pretend that, instead of selling DRM-protected music files, Real is selling unprotected, no-DRM, plain old MP3 files.
Now, in this pretend world, of course Real's customer can purchase Real music files, and upload them to the iPod for their listening pleasure. (In fact, there are already such stores out there, just that they are not from Real.) Would Apple fans then be protesting against Real reverse-ennginnering FairPlay to allow their music to be uploaded to the iPod? Obviously not.
Now, of course, Real is not selling plain old MP3s. If, in our pretend world, Real is selling non-protected music files, while Apple is being forced to sell DRM-protected music files, wouldn't that place iTMS in a disadvantaged position? Music fans will flock to Real in huge numbers, wouldn't they?
Well, not really. Because Apple is selling non-protected plain old AAC files too.
After all, it is well-documented (by everybody except Apple, that is) that you can simply burn your iTMS files onto audio CDs, and the DRM is automatically removed.
Even if Apple removed this functionality due to pressure from third-parties, somebody will immediately crack whatever DRM system Apple is imposing on its customers. After all, it is well known (well, at least to the Slashdot community :-) that all DRM can be broken. That's what you get when you place the encryption algorithm and all the encryption keys together in the same customer's hands.
But let's pretend some more. Even if Apple invented a perfect DRM system that cannot be broken, the channel between the speakers and your brain will still be unprotected, so I wouldn't worry too much. Until someday where the iTMS requirements include a trip to your local Apple Store to get a decryption chip implanted into your brain, we can safely pretend that Apple is selling non-protected no-DRM plain old AAC files.
So, in our pretend world, everyone is selling non-DRMed files, that can be freely uploaded to any MP3 players out there. So, you see, it's really no big deal.
Now, when viewed in this light, wouldn't you say that the fact that Real reversed engineered FairPlay to be, well, a non-issue?
P.S. Sony will be the ultimate loser in this pretend world, as their player does not play plain old MP3s.
P.P.S. The whole "freedom of choice" advertisement campaign by Real is entirely tasteless and stupid, but that's another story.
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